CGF Lawsuit: OOIDA v. Lindley - AB-962 Unconstitutional

[7x57]

Jason Davis (one of the good attorneys who support CalGunners and advertises and posts on this forum) is from one of the Ring of Fire families and includes a "ring of fire" in his law office's logo.

I didn't know that either--thanks.

7x57

[ke6guj]

Can't help with the teenager reference but "ring of fire" you can read about here.

Jason Davis (one of the good attorneys who support CalGunners and advertises and posts on this forum) is from one of the Ring of Fire families and includes a "ring of fire" in his law office's logo.

I read the "teenager" reference as meaning that the "persecution" of the "ring of fire" companies started when Jason Davis was a teenager, and that was the gasoline that they threw on him that made him decide to be a lawyer that focused on gun law. That would be my guess what was meant.

[Meplat]

The bad news is The State of CA has lawyers on staff just sitting around abusing themselves. The good new is they are not very good lawyers.

They will still have the cost of defending against three lawsuits. Even with the budget problems your state has, I imagine lawyers get paid well.

[Whiskey_Sauer]

The good new is they are not very good lawyers.

Not true. Not true at all. Where do you get this idea?

[wildhawker]

Not true. Not true at all. Where do you get this idea?

Indeed; they are getting smarter and more tuned in, not the opposite.

[GuyW]

Not true. Not true at all. Where do you get this idea?

Probably because, on average, a government [whatever] is not as sharp/hard working/competent as a private sector [whatever]. Its an immutable fact of the universe....

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[Fyathyrio]

Well, there's at least one good benefit that came from this bill; I placed an order for my press and reloading supplies the day that Arnie signed this POS. Once it's completely dead I'll have to send him a think you note and maybe a picture of my reloading bench with all the rounds I've made piled up on it.

Thanks CGF!

[steadyrock]

Indeed; they are getting smarter and more tuned in, not the opposite.

And the good news is, with the right amount of good cop/bad cop "edu-persuasion", some of them can be made to see the light.

[sbrady@Michel&Associates]

Probably because, on average, a government [whatever] is not as sharp/hard working/competent as a private sector [whatever]. Its an immutable fact of the universe....

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This does not hold true for lawyers in public service for a few reasons, but there are two main ones: 1) a lot of good lawyers will sacrifice a higher paying associate position in a firm to serve in the government in order to get invaluable trial experience, which will make them even more competitive and valuable in the private sector when they get out (so they have an incentive); and 2) many good attorneys, believe it or not, really believe in public service.

[Code7inOaktown]

There was no "savings clause" in AB-962 and a lot of reasons why success in this suit should take the whole law down.

Also, please remember that freedom isn't free. Donate to the Calguns Foundation today.

-Gene

Money's tight, one kid in pre school, another going to private school but I just sent over a donation. I'll try to keep it coming every few months as allowed but kick some legal ***!

[Meplat]

This one is worthy of a sig line, but I don't have enough room in mine, (I don't think), can I try, or maybe someone else can?

Erik.

Sure!

[Meplat]

I read the "teenager" reference as meaning that the "persecution" of the "ring of fire" companies started when Jason Davis was a teenager, and that was the gasoline that they threw on him that made him decide to be a lawyer that focused on gun law. That would be my guess what was meant.

That s exactly what I meant. However, that contains a large dose of assumption on my part. My apologies to Mr. Davis if I have overstepped or offended in any way.

[Meplat]

I once had a very large professional stake in litigation engaged in by State Staff Lawyers. They were tripping over themselves like Keystone Cops. They made no effort to familiarize themselves with the particulars of the case. It would be easy to assume they threw it on purpose, and maybe they did on order of higher political authority. We got whipped bad.

Not true. Not true at all. Where do you get this idea?

[Window_Seat]

Probably because, on average, a government [whatever] is not as sharp/hard working/competent as a private sector [whatever]. Its an immutable fact of the universe....

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This reminds me of certain debates I have had with a neighbor on the subject of unconstitutional this, and constitutional that, and (her) logic is that if they pass the left winged socialist legislation, that's a good thing. If it's unconstitutional, that's alright until the courts determine that. Meanwhile, life is good if they pass it, and then... I ask her to forget about the cause for a minute, and think about what she will do when her tax dollars go not to the program of her liking, but to the lawyer who is entitled to being reimbursed millions in TP$ because of the unconstitutional measure(s) that was passed without regard to 220+ years of law?

There is only one thing that I'm critical of as far as how the Framers drafted the Constitution. If there were something that made lawmakers personally reimburse the taxpayers for crap they authored and voted for which is deemed a blatant violation of that Constitutional law. Since there isn't such a clause that I know of, we will continue to have LMs completely thumb their noses the way they are doing, and be safe in their cocoons.

As far as I'm concerned, they got more than they bargained for with all the 20,000+ UC GC regs on the "books", and we have been the laughing stock for much too long, but we are slowly (but surely) turning the tables, and the weapons we are using is the passion that we continue to display.

Keep it up.

Erik.

[wildhawker]

Probably because, on average, a government [whatever] is not as sharp/hard working/competent as a private sector [whatever]. Its an immutable fact of the universe....

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On average, the decisionmakers related to our issues are not the typical office drones. It's a mistake to generalize and underestimate how hard working and passionate about public service some of these very competent folks are.

ETA: Sean already articulated an excellent point on the subject.