traveling with Hi-caps?

[1 SIG fan]

Yes, I read the Wiki...

Can I take (driving) my preban hi-cap pistol mags to AZ, then bring them back with me? Since I owned them, is that still considered importing?

Should I dissasemble on the way back?

Thanks!

[BKinzey]

Take them out and bring them back assembled.

[Glock22Fan]

You will have no problems whatsoever.

However, if you (or in my case, your spouse) is paranoid, before you go photograph yourself holding them in front of some local Californian landmark.

[Quiet]

Yes, I read the Wiki...

Can I take (driving) my preban hi-cap pistol mags to AZ, then bring them back with me? Since I owned them, is that still considered importing?

Should I dissasemble on the way back?

Thanks!

You will be fine.
See PC 12020(b)(23).


Penal Code 12020
(a) Any person in this state who does any of the following is punishable by imprisonment in a county jail not exceeding one year or in the state prison:
(2) Commencing January 1, 2000, manufactures or causes to be manufactured, imports into the state, keeps for sale, or offers or exposes for sale, or who gives, or lends, any large-capacity magazine.
(b) Subdivision (a) does not apply to any of the following:
(23) The importation of a large-capacity magazine by a person who lawfully possessed the large-capacity magazine in the state prior to January 1, 2000, lawfully took it out of the state, and is returning to the state with the large-capacity magazine previously lawfully possessed in the state.

[Scratch705]

You will have no problems whatsoever.

However, if you (or in my case, your spouse) is paranoid, before you go photograph yourself holding them in front of some local Californian landmark.

easier to just photograph himself with the mags, and a newspaper with the date clearly seen. that way the cops can't argue that the picture in front of landmark could have been from anytime.

[Silverlake223]

Very good question, as my Dad lives in AZ and I was wondering the same thing. So then the burden of proof would be for the State to prove that you did not own them prior to 2000? (previously lawfully possessed in the state) Yet, since mags never have any date stamp or are registered, they can still jam you up with a high cap implying that you just bought them in AZ? In other words, what proof do you have that you had them prior to 2000?

[Thrasher416]

Plus since rebuild kits are legal, a pre-ban mag can be totally reassembled with post-ban parts.

Since the burden is on the state you don't have to show any proof that you owned them prior to 2000. Its a totally "Feel-good" unenforceable law that really only prevents assembled post-ban magazines from being sold openly. Although I'm sure the vast majority of Calgunners and other law-abiding gun owners obey it.

Thats not to say that an unenformed police officer won't give you trouble or confiscate it though.

[SarcoBlaster]

Thats not to say that an unenformed police officer won't give you trouble or confiscate it though.

The Calguns Foundation would have a field day with that scenario.

[bwiese]

Yes, I read the Wiki...

Can I take (driving) my preban hi-cap pistol mags to AZ, then bring them back with me? Since I owned them, is that still considered importing?

Should I dissasemble on the way back?

No. Travel without worry. I do it all the time - by air and by car.

They're yours and they're legal.

There's as specific exemption in the law for travelling back to CA with hicaps you already owned within CA before 2000, and repair status with various parts is generally immaterial.

If for some reason questioned, you can safely say,

"The Calif Penal Code allows continued ownership and use of
large-capacity ammunition feeding devices owned in CA before
January 1 2000. Those possessing these devices are specifically
allowed to travel out of California with them and then reenter
again with their personal property."

If you have an incident with hicap mag you legally own, we know how to handle this and you're "covered" by CGF. We've dealt with this before, 'reeducated' a cop, and recovered dude's magazines.