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  • killmime1234
    Senior Member
    • Mar 2009
    • 1536

    Legality of this?!

    This 1911 is made almost completely from paper and glue (with the exception of some screws and springs). Look up "tacome1942" on youtube. This guy has made a whole line of guns from paper using a technique called "hardened paper."

    In this video, he is firing a bullet from a casing containing only a primer.


    My question is what is the legality of this? My inclination would be to believe that it's legal in the same manner building an AK-style rifle is legal, because it's based on a commercial production M1911. I believe it's PC 12020 that covers it, but at the moment I don't have time to dig through it. Any thoughts?
    Last edited by killmime1234; 06-29-2010, 6:37 PM. Reason: forgot a comma
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    freonr22
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    • Dec 2008
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    • #3
      WhatsTCP
      Member
      • Apr 2010
      • 384

      Originally posted by killmime1234
      This 1911 is made almost completely from paper and glue (with the exception of some screws and springs). Look up "tacome1942" on youtube. This guy has made a whole line of guns from paper using a technique called "hardened paper."

      In this video, he is firing a bullet from a casing containing only a primer.


      My question is what is the legality of this? My inclination would be to believe that it's legal in the same manner building an AK-style rifle is legal, because it's based on a commercial production M1911. I believe it's [URL="http://caag.state.ca.us/firearms/dwcl/12020.htm"]PC 1URL] that covers it, but at the moment I don't have time to dig through it. Any thoughts?
      Conceal carry it, if you ever have to use it dispose of it in water and watch it turn to mush; no more evidence.

      I would think that since it fires a projectile and is not made from what most weapons are made of (good ol' metal) it could be viewed as a zip gun even though it is based off of a 1911.

      that's my armchair lawyer deduction so it's completely worseless
      Originally posted by chuckdc
      Sounds like you can use your friend to activate your bullet button.. since he is definitely a tool.
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      • #4
        dragonbait1a
        Senior Member
        • Apr 2006
        • 596

        I believe there is a law against "Undetectable firearms" from the Glock/In the line of fire scare. It was Federal IIRC.

        Not sure how Polymer Cellulose would hold up to modern smokeless powder pressure. I don't want to find out first hand.

        RGB
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        • #5
          stix213
          AKA: Joe Censored
          CGN Contributor - Lifetime
          • Apr 2009
          • 18998

          Does he also make the Glock 7?

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          • #6
            SwissFluCase
            CGN/CGSSA Contributor
            • Jul 2008
            • 1322

            This brings a whole new dimension to improvised prison weapons...

            Regards,


            SwissFluCase
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            • #7
              Connor P Price
              Senior Member
              • Jan 2009
              • 1897

              That's pretty cool that he's able to make those things. I don't have any better idea as to the legality than the above posters though.
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              • #8
                CSACANNONEER
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                • Dec 2006
                • 44092

                Originally posted by dragonbait1a
                I believe there is a law against "Undetectable firearms" from the Glock/In the line of fire scare. It was Federal IIRC.

                Not sure how Polymer Cellulose would hold up to modern smokeless powder pressure. I don't want to find out first hand.

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                • #9
                  dragonbait1a
                  Senior Member
                  • Apr 2006
                  • 596

                  Probably...

                  Originally posted by CSACANNONEER
                  Possibly. It was years ago I read about something like that in an American Rifleman....


                  They thought it was enough of an issue to saw up the prop... But I can't cite law...

                  RGB
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