What if all the handgun manufactures stopped paying roster fees

[maxima]

Just as a hypothetical, what will happen if all handgun manufactures, who have products on DOJ's "safe gun list", stopped paying any roster fees? Would it result in a de facto handgun ban in CA, since all the handguns could be pulled off list?

P.S. Mods, please remove this if it is a dup.

[glockwise2000]

Then you made all the gun-grabbers happy. This is basically what they want.

[bigcalidave]

We would stop having new handguns available for sale? They actually LIKE having California customers, we spend a ton of money on guns.

[rromeo]

The terrorists (in Sacramento) would win.

[Malthusian]

It appears the object is to diminish the supply of handguns
Drive up existing prices, so only criminals can afford them

If the manufacturers did go this far. It would only be effective
if they refused to ship "any" handguns, including to LEA's

Someone posted that Barrett had made a self imposed ban
don't know if that is true

[CCWFacts]

Just as a hypothetical, what will happen if all handgun manufactures, who have products on DOJ's "safe gun list", stopped paying any roster fees? Would it result in a de facto handgun ban in CA, since all the handguns could be pulled off list?

It would be "almost a ban". Ordinary retail purchases as we know them would stop. Instead, people would need to pull all kinds of tricks. First, C&R handguns would continue to be sold. There are some oldies-but-goodies out there, but nothing that's a typical first-choice for self defense. So people would also do person-to-person transfers of guns here. People would get aggressive about converting modern handguns (Glocks etc) into single-shots and then importing them into the state that way. Finally, people moving here would figure out that they could probably pay for their moving costs by shopping for the right stuff before coming to the state.

[maxima]

Seeing several new guns fail to the list like Springfield XDM, and CZ P07, which lacks the "features" required, what we might worry is manufactures discontinue the old models while no new CA compliant model come out. The roster will shrink and in the end, none on the list (might take a long while)

[G17GUY]

This is a good question. Seems post McDonald this fee might be challengable in court.
What about the state commerce rules that were talked about with ab962? can those same rules challenge non importable handguns just because a fee was not paid.

[Window_Seat]

The terrorists (in Sacramento) would win.

^^This^^

OTOH, it would also be like cigarette companies caving in, we might not have cigarettes (I don't smoke) and the anti-smoking people would be happy, but the Govt would go crazy because they would lose all that tax revenue. The only difference there is that you can't resell cig's. In order for the Govt to lose ALL the tax revenue is for everyone to stop reselling the HGs at the same time, and it wouldn't happen in a million years.

What we need to do is a self imposed ban on career politicians. STOP VOTING IN THE INCUMBENT!!!

Erik.

[Mike's Custom]

Actually, I would like to see ALL the manufacturers take a stand like Ronnie Barrett did. Not only will we not test but we will no longer supply ANY firearms of any kind to CA LEO or military to be used in CA (or any other state with heavy restrictions). This would leave Ca in a world of hurt. No federal agents, no state agents or any LEO or security companies. Same goes for the ammo manufacturers if they want them to put serial numbers on boxes of ammo. They need to stop chasing every dollar and look at the long view for the payoff. Just the loss of income alone to CA would be huge when you consider the gun shops that would be gone and the tax money lost as well federal exise tax losses due to reduced production. I am a FFL and have been since '93 but I would sure not complain if the COMPLETE firearms industry told CA and the few other states to SHOVE IT! How long do you think Chicago PD would last with no firearms. What CA has is it and LEO agencies would have no repair parts or ammo once they shot it up.

[Legasat]

Yeah, I think the anti's in Sacramento would love this!

[wildhawker]

AB962 will fall thanks to FAAAA and a 9-0 decision in Rowe.

Roster will fall thanks to Pena v. Cid.

Both outcomes are possible thanks to CGF/coalition litigation.

[Malthusian]

Actually, I would like to see ALL the manufacturers take a stand like Ronnie Barrett did. Not only will we not test but we will no longer supply ANY firearms of any kind to CA LEO or military to be used in CA (or any other state with heavy restrictions). This would leave Ca in a world of hurt. No federal agents, no state agents or any LEO or security companies. Same goes for the ammo manufacturers if they want them to put serial numbers on boxes of ammo. They need to stop chasing every dollar and look at the long view for the payoff. Just the loss of income alone to CA would be huge when you consider the gun shops that would be gone and the tax money lost as well federal exise tax losses due to reduced production. I am a FFL and have been since '93 but I would sure not complain if the COMPLETE firearms industry told CA and the few other states to SHOVE IT! How long do you think Chicago PD would last with no firearms. What CA has is it and LEO agencies would have no repair parts or ammo once they shot it up.

We have been too passive, letting the politicians gradually whittling away at the 2nd amendment. Until everybody bans together, gun owners, manufacturers and in the scenario above, LEA's. I do not see anything getting any better in my lifetime. Only worse.

Pretty soon the only handguns will be Glocks and Wheelguns.

[383green]

I do not see anything getting any better in my lifetime. Only worse.

I used to say that, but I no longer believe that. Things have been improving both in CA and federally for the last few years, and it appears to me that we're still gaining momentum, and taking back territory at a growing rate. Just off the top of my head, we have:

1) AW ban bypassed to the tune of around a quarter million new AR-pattern rifles coming into CA in the last few years.

2) AW possession now chargeable as a mere infraction instead of a misdemeanor or felony, with incentive for a DA to go for that low-hanging fruit.

3) 2nd Amendment found to be an individual right, not a collective one.

4) CA DOJ's jack-bootery substantially curtailed.

5) Incorporation of the 2nd Amendment against the states expected in less than two weeks; cases already queued up waiting for that finding, with more likely to be filed the same day as the announcement.

[Malthusian]

I would love to see that Right to Carry map go Pure "BLUE"

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Rtc.gif

In a modern populated society. Concealed carry is the most practical
interpretation of "Bearing arms". Responsible CCW is a 2nd amendment right. Open carry does not conform to a modern society.
My dad an non-LEO and ordinary law abiding
citizen has CCW his whole life. We never knew he was packing until after
we came home and he would share the handgun he had choosen for the evening.

We lived in Arizona and he now lives in Pennsylvania, a "shall issue" state.
Sorry to go off topic, but I have seen what life is like outside the PRK