What would a USA without gun laws be like?

[Richie Rich]

IF, somehow the Parker VS DC ruling makes it to the SCOTUS and they rule that the 2A is an individual right, what would happen to this country? If all gun laws were sticken from the books and "shall not be infringed" was the law of the land.

After the initial buying spree settled down and the sheep adjusted to the idea of people being armed.

(Well) Armed, polite society?

OR

Blood running in the streets?

Think about the ability of ANYONE to walk into a store and purchase ANY firearm they wanted, carry it in any way they saw fit and outfit it however they wanted.

Keep these facts in mind:

Criminals and terrorists already have easy access to black market firearms.

There are over 80 million legal gun owners in the USA already.

NFA items are already available to those who can afford and wish to purchase
them. (not in CA of course).

My personal opinion, not much would change.. (other then me CCWing and buying some new toys).

There would be more places to shoot (suppressors keep noise complaints down)

We would see more guns in public (rifle racks in trucks, people open carrying).

A few more dead badguys

A whole lot less violent crime

Only downside I could see: Think ammo prices are bad now....

[Matt C]

I honestly don't see much change occuring, except I will have a few new guns. Of course, I also don't think it will ever happen.

[hoffmang]

I don't think much will change, but I do want to point out a few things that will be there even after Parker and a follow up win that applies to the states.

1. NICS will still deny felons from purchasing and NICS checks will still be run. There is quite a bit of history that shows even the founders thought that felons and the like should and could be disallowed the right to keep and bear arms.

2. CA Safe Handgun lists will likely survive. I do expect we'll be able to make them more sane legislatively however.

3. NFA taxes and registration may remain, but I expect they will become defacto shall issue.

-Gene

[Socal858]

my newly allowed CCW would be my newly liberated OLL in a tennis bag over my shoulder. once news got out, the hoods would stop robbing people on campus. in bright daylight.

what a pipe dream

[xenophobe]

If you read the Parker ruling, you would have noted that it said some restrictions may actually be legitimate and did not go into it much further than that.

And if Parker is heard by SCOTUS and becomes a favorable win, gun laws around the nation won't just disappear suddenly. All of the remaining laws and regulations in the Federal and State systems will remain until they are directly contested, and it's not something that will happen overnight, or even within 5 years. It could take a decade or longer to see noticeable results....

[Richie Rich]

I don't think much will change, but I do want to point out a few things that will be there even after Parker and a follow up win that applies to the states.

1. NICS will still deny felons from purchasing and NICS checks will still be run. There is quite a bit of history that shows even the founders thought that felons and the like should and could be disallowed the right to keep and bear arms.

2. CA Safe Handgun lists will likely survive. I do expect we'll be able to make them more sane legislatively however.

3. NFA taxes and registration may remain, but I expect they will become defacto shall issue.

-Gene

I had not thought of the overall denial of rights that felons encounter. All the anti gun politicians would have to do is make traffic infractions into felonies and we have nationwide gun control again.. NCIS would have to be instant (I would think) since a waiting period would be considered infringement.

While you might be correct, I do not see how a safe handgun list could not be considered infringing on peoples right to bear arms. Since the handgun certification test was designed to keep inexpensive handguns off the market, one could consider it being discriminatory against the poor.

NFA taxation would IMO have to go away or apply to every purchase, since it would be considered an unfair tax (applies to one arm or accessory and not others).

Also, I am aware that even if the SCOTS rules in favor of the 2A being and individual right and lets the lower court ruling stand, that every gun law in the nation will not vanish overnight.

But it does set precedent, and that could be used to contest many of the laws that Ca (and other less then free states) suffer under.. This would be where we find out if the NRA means what it says, or is a self serving orginization that would rather keep it's membership $ flowing in then see our rights affirmed. (As a member, I hope it is the former rather then the latter)

[Californio]

I would hope it would lead to more Scotus cases dealing with the evils and ills caused by Federalization and get back to the basics of our Founders.

[hoffmang]

Richie,

There will be some interesting equal protections cases but those will be in the future. One thing that the NFA will be that the local CLEO stuff may be challengeable in DC as soon as the en banc rehearing is denied. If you combine the logic of Printz v. United States and Parker, a CLEO can sue the ATF in DC (which they have to accept there) and use the same logic that they wish to have nothing to do with signing off on NFA items.

That will be ripe for hearing sometime next year.

-Gene

[jjperl]

I doubt much would change in terms of crime rates. The one thing that would change though is my gun collection.

[mblat]

Nothing will change dramatically.... With exception of the balance on my saving account....

[C.G.]

Robert Heinlein:
"Armed society is a polite society."

[jumbopanda]

Crime rates would not change at all. If someone wants to commit a crime, that person will do it regardless of which guns are available to him. The ones who do decide to go crazy and shoot people randomly will have some extra firepower, but I can't see lenient gun laws causing this to occur more often.

Oh and I would have one of those full-auto .22 AR uppers that's fed with American 180 pan magazines.

[xenophobe]

All this talk of changing crime rates, credit card and bank balances and collections are pretty pretty deluded.

As a direct result of Parker, the only thing that is going to change is that handgun ownership in Washington DC will be allowed. No doubt this is a big win, but it's going to take many years for this to filter down. It will be a slow and messy process to have bans in states like California to be nullified.

[jumbopanda]

All this talk of changing crime rates, credit card and bank balances and collections are pretty pretty deluded.

As a direct result of Parker, the only thing that is going to change is that handgun ownership in Washington DC will be allowed. No doubt this is a big win, but it's going to take many years for this to filter down. It will be a slow and messy process to have bans in states like California to be nullified.

The topic is "What would a USA without gun laws be like?" not "How likely is it that our gun laws will be repealed?" We're just talking about hypothetical situations here.

[jjperl]

Crime rates would not change at all. If someone wants to commit a crime, that person will do it regardless of which guns are available to him. The ones who do decide to go crazy and shoot people randomly will have some extra firepower, but I can't see lenient gun laws causing this to occur more often.

Oh and I would have one of those full-auto .22 AR uppers that's fed with American 180 pan magazines.

and on the other hand a lot more people would be carrying so if a nut decided to blast away at people he would probably get shut down pretty fast.