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  • #31
    J.S.Riesch
    Senior Member
    • Jul 2010
    • 528

    We just witnessed demise of Prop 8 right before our own eyes. I am sure eventually it is going to make all the way to the Supreme Court. Wherever offended some of us might be I think it represent a unique opportunity in fight for our rights.
    How is it relates to the issue at hands? Here is the answer: It is a personal rights issue and it does show how effective liberal’s methods are. Moreover, certainly their legal approach deserved to be study and learned by lawyers working on the side of second amendment.

    What JB or Meg got in common with this? Jerry is old; he was in politics most of his life. Being a career politician, he is able to see writings on the wall when it comes to personal liberties. He understands, arguably quite well, that it is just a matter of time before our rights going be restored. Look around, it is not 1989 anymore. This was the only reason why he submitted an Amiscus Curae in McDonald case. This is why he did not commented on prop 8 defeat yet. Probably never will. He is too smart to expose himself to the attacks from right.
    Meg on other hand is like Arnold. I will not trust her with my empty garbage can. These days they called it “moderates”. In reality, they are liberal’s masquerading as republicans. Where it leaves all of us this November? I can’t believe I am saying this but I will vote for less restrictive person there-JB.
    Disclaimer: Unless otherwise stated, I have no idea what I'm talking about.

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    • #32
      Shotgun Man
      Veteran Member
      • Oct 2007
      • 4053

      Originally posted by FUGASOFF
      [...] I will not trust her with my empty garbage can. [...]
      LOL. I'm gonna use that.

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      • #33
        rhbanjo
        Member
        • Aug 2007
        • 336

        Isn't anyone here old enough or clear minded enough to remember what the hell Jerry Brown did to our state the LAST Time he was Governor?????? He was a liar then and I see no reason to believe he has changed! He conspired with Sheriff Hutchins (OC) to help her eliminate current CCW's and deny others. He and his buddies almost bankrupted California in the 70's with their endless thirst for more Tax revenue and he'll do it again. For craps sake he couldn't even run Oakland! Maybe Whitman isn't perfect but she's at least conservative and would try to reign in the spending and hopefully the corruption. Brown will be more of what we have now- the legislature wants to INCREASE car registration fees- again, raise income tax- again. Maybe we can invite old Meg to learn to shoot and handle a weapon. Changing her would be way more efficient than trying to bring Jerry Brown to the realization that the state is broke and we are screwed! There's a reason he was called Governor Moonbeam!!

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        • #34
          Shotgun Man
          Veteran Member
          • Oct 2007
          • 4053

          Originally posted by rhbanjo
          Isn't anyone here old enough or clear minded enough to remember what the hell Jerry Brown did to our state the LAST Time he was Governor?????? He was a liar then and I see no reason to believe he has changed! He conspired with Sheriff Hutchins (OC) to help her eliminate current CCW's and deny others. He and his buddies almost bankrupted California in the 70's with their endless thirst for more Tax revenue and he'll do it again. For craps sake he couldn't even run Oakland! Maybe Whitman isn't perfect but she's at least conservative and would try to reign in the spending and hopefully the corruption. Brown will be more of what we have now- the legislature wants to INCREASE car registration fees- again, raise income tax- again. Maybe we can invite old Meg to learn to shoot and handle a weapon. Changing her would be way more efficient than trying to bring Jerry Brown to the realization that the state is broke and we are screwed! There's a reason he was called Governor Moonbeam!!
          You can't even talk a straight argument.

          I'm plenty old. I remember (from history books) that JB governed in a time when a state education was venerable and cheap.

          Meg Whitman is anathema to anyone who considers the 2A a crucial issue.

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          • #35
            Legasat
            Intergalactic Member
            CGN Contributor - Lifetime
            • Mar 2009
            • 4151

            We (the people of CA), lose which ever one of these two gets elected.

            So it's ANOTHER election where we have to choose between the lesser of two losers, even if there is only a dime's worth of difference between them on the "terrible" scale.
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            .........STGC(SW)


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            • #36
              NightOwl
              Senior Member
              • Jan 2010
              • 587

              Originally posted by nicki
              I have a gut feeling that by 2010 election, voter support of prop 8 is going to shift.
              Richard Adams: Judge rules that gays and lesbians have a constitutional right to marriage, overturning California's controversial Proposition 8


              It was the first link on google, no preference to that as a source. Just sayin, prop 8 is over and done for.
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              • #37
                Ford8N
                Banned
                • Sep 2002
                • 6129

                I am a one issue voter.

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                • #38
                  OleCuss
                  Calguns Addict
                  • Jun 2009
                  • 8099

                  To maybe get things back on topic?

                  If you support Whitman, maybe you should get involved in her campaign and let the others who are working for her know that you are a strong believer in the RKBA.

                  If you support Brown, maybe you should get involved in his campaign and let the others who are working for him know that you are a strong believer in the RKBA.

                  If you support Chelene - I sorta understand but if you get involved in her campaign I think you'd be a fool. Far too much opportunity to be damaged by Chelene's campaign - and unless half the state has brain hemorrhages she hasn't a chance of winning. As a protest vote she might be OK, but I'd recommend writing in Gene, bwiese, artherd, wildhawker, kestryl or someone else of that sort before considering voting for Chelene.
                  CGN's token life-long teetotaling vegetarian. Don't consider anything I post as advice or as anything more than opinion (if even that).

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                  • #39
                    ZombieTactics
                    Veteran Member
                    • Jan 2010
                    • 3691

                    Originally posted by Ford8N
                    I am a one issue voter.
                    I don't consider myself a one-issue voter, so far as any specific proposal or law. I do consider myself a one-issue voter in the sense that I believe the whole of what I choose to advance and defend centers around one statement:
                    "We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable Rights, that among these are Life, Liberty and the pursuit of Happiness."
                    It's not always easy to apply those words reasonably, but I submit that the 2A is central to the notion of an unalienable right to my own life, as it serves to enshrine the liberty to defend it and keep it.
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                    • #40
                      Phouty
                      Member
                      • Jul 2010
                      • 414

                      Sorry for the slight OT, but someone sent it to me, and initially I've laughed my a@#$ off the chair. But after thinking for a while..... came reflection that maybe 'we the people' should start looking at political campaigns in different light?
                      Anyway.....enjoy!

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                      • #41
                        stix213
                        AKA: Joe Censored
                        CGN Contributor - Lifetime
                        • Apr 2009
                        • 18998

                        I agree with Whitman on far more issues than Brown by far, and would normally vote for her if this were a normal election (as if there are any normal elections).

                        Thing is with McDonald, there is likely going to be several important CA gun laws struck down during the next Governor's term, and the anti's in the legislature will be wanting to replacement them quickly with more "common sense" violations of our constitutional rights.

                        This leaves a great opportunity for a pro-gun Governor to stop the anti's, so for the first time ever I am voting single issue for Brown.

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                        • #42
                          bwiese
                          I need a LIFE!!
                          • Oct 2005
                          • 27621

                          Originally posted by stix213
                          Thing is with McDonald, there is likely going to be several important CA gun laws struck down during the next Governor's term, and the anti's in the legislature will be wanting to replacement them quickly with more "common sense" violations of our constitutional rights.

                          This leaves a great opportunity for a pro-gun Governor to stop the anti's, so for the first time ever I am voting single issue for Brown.
                          This says it all.

                          Yes, there will be Hail Mary legislative passes thrown up when laws get killed just because legislature wants to 'do something'. Having a 4yr or more period where they get bored and move on to another issue will make our lives easier and cheaper as we accumulate court wins.

                          Bill Wiese
                          San Jose, CA

                          CGF Board Member / NRA Benefactor Life Member / CRPA life member
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                          • #43
                            Bhobbs
                            I need a LIFE!!
                            • Feb 2009
                            • 11848

                            Originally posted by bwiese
                            We've done some research. He's pro-gun. That's the only thing I vote on.
                            To what extent? Approving AW bans like he said he does. He's pro gun enough not to ban bolt actions and single shots? Even the Brady Bunch supported the McDonald case because everyone knew where this was going. He was just a good politician trying to gain some points.

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                            • #44
                              OleCuss
                              Calguns Addict
                              • Jun 2009
                              • 8099

                              Originally posted by Bhobbs
                              To what extent? Approving AW bans like he said he does. He's pro gun enough not to ban bolt actions and single shots? Even the Brady Bunch supported the McDonald case because everyone knew where this was going. He was just a good politician trying to gain some points.
                              Oh, no. You don't know what all he's done.

                              Remember, he can't actually make laws go away or pass new ones as AG so the complaints some register on that score aren't valid.

                              But you have to take a look at how the DOJ has changed in personnel and function to understand JB on guns. A lot of stupid and evil stuff went away on his watch.

                              Remember that OLL were pretty well tolerated by him.

                              He is also a shooter himself. MSM has talked about how he shoots on his ranch.

                              Anyway, I've previously posted a non-comprehensive list of things he has done. You could argue that JB is California's RKBA MVP.
                              CGN's token life-long teetotaling vegetarian. Don't consider anything I post as advice or as anything more than opinion (if even that).

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