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  • oaklander
    Banned
    • May 2006
    • 11095

    New York Times Article: Oakland City Attorney Calls Us "Pointy Headed" - AND MORE!

    These folks think we are idiots - just look at some of the quotes that I have highlighted. . .

    I am so fricken mad at the disdain they have for us. . .

    The Oakland City Council is considering a proposal to tighten gun-control laws.


    February 3, 2010, 5:26 pm
    Oakland Tries to Take On Guns
    By MELANIE MASON

    After Tuesday night’s city council meeting, Oakland is one step closer to approving stricter gun control laws.

    The council unanimously approved, in the first reading, a measure proposed by Larry Reid, a council member representing East Oakland. The measure consists of three proposed changes: Require the reporting of lost or stolen firearms to the Oakland Police Department; require a thumbprint for all ammunition purchases and enforce strict permit requirements for the sale of firearms and ammunition in Oakland. The council is expected to consider the proposal for a final vote on Feb. 16.

    That idea to restrict the sale of firearms in Oakland has riled some people, because, as the San Francisco Chronicle reported, Oakland does not have any firearms dealers that sell to the public. On its website, Calguns, the gun rights group, said that the ordinance is “an extensive, draconian regulation of firearms, firearm components, and ammunition vendors, which will basically make it impossible to have a gun store in the City of Oakland.”

    This is the second time in two weeks that the city officials have asserted their pro-gun-control stance. On January 19, the council authorized city attorney, John Russo, to sign a friend-of-the-court brief in the case of McDonald vs. Chicago, which is to begin oral arguments in front of the Supreme Court this March. McDonald would decide if state and local gun control laws are subject to the Second Amendment (the Court’s landmark gun control decision, District of Columbia v. Heller, only applied to Washington D.C.). Oakland joins other jurisdictions like Richmond, Sacramento and Alameda County in asserting that the Second Amendment does not apply to state and municipal governments.

    On Tuesday, I spoke to Mr. Russo and Reygan Harmon, a legislative analyst for Mr. Reid, about the status of gun control laws in Oakland. Their comments have been condensed and edited.

    Q.

    How did these proposals come about? What was the strategy?

    A.

    Ms. Harmon: The Legal Community Against Violence approached the city of Oakland almost two years ago, when they did an audit of our municipal code. They gave us suggestions on enhancing local gun control laws.

    A lot of the laws that are on the books prior to these proposed changes are no longer applicable because California state laws have changed. This is cleaning up the municipal code, because we haven’t really looked at gun control laws in ten years.

    A.

    Mr. Russo: The national landscape is in flux. Our strategy is to try to find ways to protect ourselves. That’s really what it’s about. The reality is that we’re trying to fashion solutions in the real world, as opposed to these people who want to have a very academic discussion about the scope of the Second Amendment.

    Q.

    Why include a proposal that regulates firearms dealers, when there currently are no licensed dealers in Oakland that sell to the public?

    A.

    Mr. Russo: Council member Reid has one of the more challenged districts in the city. I think he wants to be sure that nobody gets any ideas of opening something. And if they did, they could regulate it under this law.

    Q.

    What impact can one city’s gun control laws have?

    A.

    Mr. Russo: The reality is that this is something that’s better handled federally or at the state level. No question about that. The irony is that’s the argument that gets made by largely pointy-headed, theoretical pro-gun people. But at the same time, they are vehemently opposed to federal regulation.

    Still, if a couple people end up not getting killed, I’m not going to apologize. I’m not going to try to take away efforts that will only be incrementally successful if they are life saving efforts.

    Ms. Harmon: I think one city can do the best they can, and that’s what we’re trying to do. We’re working with neighboring cities like Richmond, San Francisco and San Mateo so we have similar legislation to make it more difficult for people to go city to city. All we can do, or all San Francisco or Richmond can do, is tighten up the laws in their cities.
    Last edited by oaklander; 02-03-2010, 7:36 PM.
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    dantodd
    Calguns Addict
    • Aug 2009
    • 9360

    Perhaps they would be open to CGF doing an "audit of our municipal code. They gave us suggestions on enhancing local gun control laws."

    Then they could adjust those codes to ensure they are in line with Federal, State, and case law.

    Is "pointy-headed" a euphemism for "smarter than me"
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    • #3
      hill billy
      CGN/CGSSA Contributor
      CGN Contributor
      • Mar 2008
      • 2890

      Hopefully he'll be so much hot air shortly.
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      • #4
        oaklander
        Banned
        • May 2006
        • 11095

        Instead of dismissing us as Neanderthals, he's now taking the opposite tact and dismissing us as intellectuals?

        I predict a well-written response to his words.

        Originally posted by dantodd
        Perhaps they would be open to CGF doing an "audit of our municipal code. They gave us suggestions on enhancing local gun control laws."

        Then they could adjust those codes to ensure they are in line with Federal, State, and case law.

        Is "pointy-headed" a euphemism for "smarter than me"

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        • #5
          rkt88edmo
          Reptile&Samurai Moderator
          CGN Contributor - Lifetime
          • Dec 2002
          • 10057

          Russo wants to be mayor and may have a decent shot at it one of these days.

          Also - for those who aren't aware, Oakland has a special tax they levy on stores that sell guns which applies to everything, so if you buy a fishing rod you have to pay more for it than you would at a store that doesn't sell guns. That was one of the major factors that drove Siegle's (sp?), Oakland's last gun store, out of business.
          If it was a snake, it would have bit me.
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          • #6
            Werewolf1021
            Senior Member
            • Mar 2009
            • 1739

            John Russo: Oakland City Attorney
            City Hall, 6th Floor
            1 Frank Ogawa Plaza
            Oakland, California 94612

            Phone
            510.238.3601

            Fax
            510.238.6500

            TTY/TDD
            510.238.3254

            Email: webmaster@oaklandcityattorney.org <webmaster@oaklandcityattorney.org>

            CC: info@oaklandcityattorney.org <info@oaklandcityattorney.org>


            Let this scumbag know how the "pointy heads" feel.

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            • #7
              mmbasser
              Senior Member
              • Feb 2009
              • 686

              I can accept a "pointy headed" label......since it's come from a lame-brain!
              Note to Self: Don't post while intoxicated!

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              • #8
                WokMaster1
                Part time Emperor
                CGN Contributor - Lifetime
                • Mar 2006
                • 5436

                Originally posted by rkt88edmo
                Russo wants to be mayor and may have a decent shot at it one of these days.

                Also - for those who aren't aware, Oakland has a special tax they levy on stores that sell guns which applies to everything, so if you buy a fishing rod you have to pay more for it than you would at a store that doesn't sell guns. That was one of the major factors that drove Siegle's (sp?), Oakland's last gun store, out of business.


                Can't wait for Incorporation. I'll supply the & enjoy watching CGF dismantle Russo's "theory" piece by piece.
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                • #9
                  nobody_special
                  Senior Member
                  • Feb 2008
                  • 1041

                  Originally posted by rkt88edmo
                  Also - for those who aren't aware, Oakland has a special tax they levy on stores that sell guns which applies to everything, so if you buy a fishing rod you have to pay more for it than you would at a store that doesn't sell guns. That was one of the major factors that drove Siegle's (sp?), Oakland's last gun store, out of business.
                  Incorporation should provide an avenue to put a stop to that.
                  Originally posted by Edmund G. Brown
                  There are certain rights that are not to be subject to popular votes, otherwise they are not fundamental rights. If every fundamental liberty can be stripped away by a majority vote, then it's not a fundamental liberty.
                  Originally posted by jeffyhog
                  When the governor vetoes a bill that would make it a felony to steal a gun, but signs a bill into law that makes it a felony not to register a gun you already legally own, you know something isn't right.

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                  • #10
                    Alaric
                    Banned
                    • Sep 2008
                    • 3216

                    An outright admission to incrementalism. Fascinating. Is that a first for someone in such a position as his?

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                    • #11
                      GunNutz
                      Member
                      • Dec 2009
                      • 483

                      If he has to play the "academic" card, then he clearly knows he doesn't have a legal leg to stand on.

                      Also, how ironic that he would be interested in "practical" rather than academic solutions considering that Oakland doesn't have any real gun stores. (So the net effect is "practically" speaking, very little.)
                      Last edited by GunNutz; 02-03-2010, 8:04 PM.
                      Guns don't kill people, people with mustaches kill people.

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                      • #12
                        mblat
                        Veteran Member
                        • Oct 2005
                        • 3326

                        Considering names on the CGF letter, I think he will have a chance to find out that this discussion is FAR from being purely academic.
                        Too bad Oakland taxpayers will end up paying for it.
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                        EDIT 2020: To be fair that seems to apply to many Westerners also.

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                        • #13
                          eaglemike
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                          CGN Contributor - Lifetime
                          • Jan 2008
                          • 3854

                          Old technique - if you can't debate the facts well, attack or label the opponent......

                          Disgraceful that a public official would be that way....
                          There are some people that it's just not worth engaging.

                          It's a muzzle BRAKE, not a muzzle break. Or is your muzzle tired?

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                          • #14
                            wildhawker
                            I need a LIFE!!
                            • Nov 2008
                            • 14150

                            Brandon Combs

                            I do not read private messages, and my inbox is usually full. If you need to reach me, please email me instead.

                            My comments are not the official position or a statement of any organization unless stated otherwise. My comments are not legal advice; if you want or need legal advice, hire a lawyer.

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                            • #15
                              BigDogatPlay
                              Calguns Addict
                              • Jun 2007
                              • 7362

                              Originally posted by WokMaster1
                              Can't wait for Incorporation. I'll supply the & enjoy watching CGF dismantle Russo's "theory" piece by piece.
                              And that's the point isn't it? Mr. Russo, along with LCAV, is engaging with theory. We, on the other hand, have that pesky constitution thingee and several hundred years of jurisprudence and legal scholarship as the point of our argument.

                              In a perfect and logical world, Russo's theory would never be entertained.
                              -- Rifle, Pistol, Shotgun

                              Not a lawyer, just a former LEO proud to have served.

                              Americans have the right and advantage of being armed - unlike the citizens of other countries whose governments are afraid to trust the people with arms. -- James Madison

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