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  • #46
    Meplat
    Calguns Addict
    • Jul 2008
    • 6903

    Originally posted by Doheny
    ...Something tells me he'd make it your problem if you decided to play the "I'm not going to talk to you" game. Carrying a gun comes with responsibilities; answering some basic questions from the police if stopped is one of them.
    Bull. Nothing overrides the 5th amendment.
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    • #47
      Meplat
      Calguns Addict
      • Jul 2008
      • 6903

      Originally posted by Cokebottle
      The law states that it must be a school that you "know or reasonably should know about"

      And yes... I am aware of Theseus's situation, and I also believe that it will be overturned on appeal.

      I agree and think it may turn out to be one hell of a win for RKBA. It's just nuts that you have to know something is there that is blocks away and obscured by buildings.
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      • #48
        Meplat
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        • Jul 2008
        • 6903

        Originally posted by JeffM
        Too late...
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        • #49
          Meplat
          Calguns Addict
          • Jul 2008
          • 6903

          Belt holsters being actually referred to in the PC should be OK right? I mean where does it say the gun has to be visible from 360 degrees?

          Originally posted by GrizzlyGuy
          No, see here: How do I legally transport a handgun?

          Ammo need not be stored separately. The locked container requirement only applies if either of these is true:

          1) You are traveling through Gun Free School Zones

          2) You intend to conceal the gun in the car (i.e. you intend to violate 12025). If it is sitting on the passenger seat in plain view, or in your belt holster (for example) it doesn't need to be locked up.
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          • #50
            Meplat
            Calguns Addict
            • Jul 2008
            • 6903

            And those recordings have a disturbing way of getting lost when they go against the department.



            Originally posted by Stoner
            No offence, but i have no idea where you are getting your information. But you could not be more wrong.

            Most agencies today have everything the cops do on video and voice recording. They know they are being recorded by their own department. So they do not do anything to put them selves in a bad situation.

            So you can run down to the department and beat your chest and yell and scream all you want. LEO's know there are lots of folks out there that want to sue them and their department and find their pot of gold at the end of the LEO rainbow. Fact of the matter is, most complaints are unfounded. And the more complaints you make, the more obvious your intentions become.
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            • #51
              GrizzlyGuy
              Gun Runner to The Stars
              CGN Contributor - Lifetime
              • May 2009
              • 5468

              Originally posted by Meplat
              Belt holsters being actually referred to in the PC should be OK right? I mean where does it say the gun has to be visible from 360 degrees?
              Yes, my read of the PC is that openly carried in a belt holster is always fine, whether you are in a car or not. The PC (12025) explicitly says that the firearm is not concealed in that case:

              (f) Firearms carried openly in belt holsters are not concealed within the meaning of this section.
              That doesn't mean that there aren't other acceptable carry methods (e.g., sitting on the passenger seat in plain view).

              Nowhere in 12025 does it say that the gun has to be visible from 360 degrees. Unless the legislature presumes that LEOs have X-ray vision, there will always be a viewing angle from which they will not be able to see the gun. Our legislators are misguided, but they aren't that wacky.
              Gun law complexity got you down? Get the FAQs, Jack!

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