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  • Stanze
    Veteran Member
    • Oct 2005
    • 3301

    BATFE USING FUD TO ENFORCE NON-EXISTING LAW!



    Grrr...
    Constitutionally, officials cannot license or register a fundamental right.

    "It is the first responsibility of every citizen to question authority." - Benjamin Franklin


    "Lifetime warranty and excellent customer service don't mean a thing when your gun fails during a zombie attack." -Stanze
  • #2
    Cokebottle
    Seņor Member
    CGN Contributor - Lifetime
    • Oct 2009
    • 32373

    Texas is cash-and-carry for long rifles, FFL needed only for handguns, right?
    - Rich

    Originally posted by dantodd
    A just government will not be overthrown by force or violence because the people have no incentive to overthrow a just government. If a small minority of people attempt such an insurrection to grab power and enslave the people, the RKBA of the whole is our insurance against their success.

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    • #3
      Stanze
      Veteran Member
      • Oct 2005
      • 3301

      Originally posted by Cokebottle
      Texas is cash-and-carry for long rifles, FFL needed only for handguns, right?
      As far as I know, private firearm sales are not regulated in TX (Someone correct me if I'm wrong). BATFE is requesting(read: demanding) that people comply with a non-existent Fed/State/Local law to go through an FFL for private firearm transfers and the gun show promoters are going along (read: intimidated) with it.
      Constitutionally, officials cannot license or register a fundamental right.

      "It is the first responsibility of every citizen to question authority." - Benjamin Franklin


      "Lifetime warranty and excellent customer service don't mean a thing when your gun fails during a zombie attack." -Stanze

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      • #4
        adamsreeftank
        Senior Member
        • Jan 2006
        • 2244

        It looks like it was only a "request". Kind of like when an LEO asks if he can have a look around.

        Most people comply with this type of thing without even knowing they are voluntarily giving up their rights.

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        • #5
          Fjold
          I need a LIFE!!
          • Oct 2005
          • 22739

          To many trolls on Prison Planet
          Frank

          One rifle, one planet, Holland's 375




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          • #6
            bwiese
            I need a LIFE!!
            • Oct 2005
            • 27616

            Austin PD and/or Travis Co. Sheriffs may have something to do with this, and may somehow be able to put pressure on SAXET Shows - maybe the venue has a "must cooperate with all LE requests" clause.

            Some have speculated that moving to Round Rock area/Williamson County would be more favorable.

            I don't see it as a huge problem because you can just wink & nod and do the transfer an hour later in Denny's parking lot.

            Bill Wiese
            San Jose, CA

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            • #7
              Bug Splat
              Calguns Addict
              • Dec 2007
              • 6561

              Originally posted by adamsreeftank
              It looks like it was only a "request". Kind of like when an LEO asks if he can have a look around.

              Most people comply with this type of thing without even knowing they are voluntarily giving up their rights.
              Yup. When I was in the process of becoming an officer (never happened do to an injury) that was one of the first things explained to me. They said that 99% of the time if you ask to search someones car or house they will agree not knowing that they have the option to say no. In all the ride-alongs I went on only one guy knew his stuff and declined. He was riding his bike around at 1am in a bad part of town. We stopped and asked to see his ID which he replied "No, I've done nothing illegal. Am I free to go." The officer I was with just smiled and apologized for bothering him and let him go. He just wanted to see if he had been drinking but most people we stopped were so freaked out they would have consented to a full cavity search if asked.

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              • #8
                luckystrike
                Veteran Member
                • Feb 2009
                • 4176

                what is a troll? ive herd this everywhere and im sure people are not talking about mystical beings that live under bridges

                Originally posted by Fjold
                To many trolls on Prison Planet

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                • #9
                  Vinz
                  Veteran Member
                  • Aug 2008
                  • 2874

                  person that makes a post to create or insite drama.


                  vinz
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                  • #10
                    Mssr. Eleganté
                    Blue Blaze Irregular
                    CGN Contributor - Lifetime
                    • Oct 2005
                    • 10401

                    Originally posted by luckystrike
                    what is a troll? ive herd this everywhere and im sure people are not talking about mystical beings that live under bridges
                    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Troll_(Internet)
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                    • #11
                      curtisfong
                      Calguns Addict
                      • Jan 2009
                      • 6893

                      Originally posted by luckystrike
                      what is a troll?
                      !!!!

                      Not a question you see much nowadays
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                      • #12
                        M. Sage
                        Moderator Emeritus
                        CGN Contributor - Lifetime
                        • Jul 2006
                        • 19759

                        Originally posted by Cokebottle
                        Texas is cash-and-carry for long rifles, FFL needed only for handguns, right?
                        Nope, cash and carry for everything that isn't NFA. PPTs are truly private transactions.

                        Neat Texas law: You get to skip the background check when buying from an FFL if you have a CCW.

                        Then again, buying PPT, there is no background check required for anything.

                        Originally posted by bwiese
                        Austin PD and/or Travis Co. Sheriffs may have something to do with this, and may somehow be able to put pressure on SAXET Shows - maybe the venue has a "must cooperate with all LE requests" clause.

                        Some have speculated that moving to Round Rock area/Williamson County would be more favorable.

                        I don't see it as a huge problem because you can just wink & nod and do the transfer an hour later in Denny's parking lot.
                        I know someone who is a Saxet and Texas vendor, I'll have to ask him about this.

                        However... it sounds like this is some heavy FUD with its origin in an attempt to force all gunshow attendees and exhibitors to have sales tax licenses at a certain show out this way. Happened a few months ago, and it went over like a lead balloon. Nobody was getting into the show until the lawyers showed up (TSRA? I can't remember) and schooled the bureaucrats.
                        Last edited by M. Sage; 01-18-2010, 9:25 PM.
                        Originally posted by Deadbolt
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                        • #13
                          luckystrike
                          Veteran Member
                          • Feb 2009
                          • 4176

                          Originally posted by Vinz
                          person that makes a post to create or insite drama.


                          vinz


                          ah I see. thanks. anyway it sounds like what alot of people have said, BATwing asking people and insinuating that it is a law in Texas. its a law they want passed and, well, its not a law so yeah.

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                          • #14
                            M. Sage
                            Moderator Emeritus
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                            • Jul 2006
                            • 19759

                            Ok, I found info on this on Texas Gun Talk. A lot of heat, but no fire. No solid info and these guys would know if anybody would.

                            If I have time, I'll call Austin PD tomorrow and see what I can see. Till then, keep an eye on this thread: http://www.texasguntalk.com/forums/a...tin-shows.html
                            Originally posted by Deadbolt
                            "We're here to take your land for your safety"

                            "My Safety?" *click* "There, that was my safety"
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                            • #15
                              liketoshoot
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                              • Jan 2008
                              • 3810

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                              Thieves are the lowest form of life out there, except for liberal politicians, of course, but that's redundant.

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