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  • ipser
    Senior Member
    • Jul 2009
    • 558

    Politicians Watch Criminals Pack More Heat




    News about Guns and Gun Control, including commentary and archival articles published in The New York Times.
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  • #2
    Suvorov
    Senior Member
    • Sep 2007
    • 1391

    Yeah, because a criminal is so much more likely to succeed in a crime with an AR with a flash suppressor than with one without a flash suppressor.

    What a load of crap.

    Whatever it takes to fulfill the statist agenda.
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    • #3
      cortayack
      Senior Member
      • Dec 2008
      • 1758

      Polls regularly show that the public, including most gun hobbyists, wants more realistic gun controls.


      Who does these polls and where are these gun hobbyists............lol

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      • #4
        Trench Broom
        Member
        • Dec 2008
        • 479

        "....collectively enlightened" - gotta love that phrase.

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        • #5
          tiki
          Senior Member
          • Oct 2006
          • 1441

          Originally posted by Some Idiot Reporter
          Gun ControlA survey of more than 130 local police chiefs and officials found 37 percent reporting an increase in assault weapons in street crime.
          Ok, so what are the other 63% reporting? No change? A decrease?
          It amazes me that someone can write something like this and be proud of it.
          "The problem with quotes found on the Internet is you have no way of confirming their authenticity."
          -Abraham Lincoln

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          • #6
            wkd4496
            Member
            • Mar 2009
            • 439

            The New York Times?! Go to your room!!
            "Political tags - such as royalist, communist, democrat, populist, fascist, liberal, conservative, and so forth - are never basic criteria. The human race divides politically into those who want people to be controlled and those who have no such desire."

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            • #7
              Hoop
              Ready fo HILLARY!!
              • Apr 2007
              • 11534

              Originally posted by cortayack
              Polls regularly show that the public, including most gun hobbyists, wants more realistic gun controls.


              Who does these polls and where are these gun hobbyists............lol
              It depends what they ask, and how they ask it.

              Just search youtube for Penn & Teller doing one on the subject of polls.



              Probably has lots of bad words.

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              • #8
                Window_Seat
                Veteran Member
                • Apr 2008
                • 3533

                Originally posted by Kennycruz
                The New York Times?! Go to your room!!
                This is what the NYTs does when they have nothing to print in their editorial section.

                Erik.

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                • #9
                  tiki
                  Senior Member
                  • Oct 2006
                  • 1441

                  duped myself.
                  Last edited by tiki; 01-18-2010, 2:24 PM.
                  "The problem with quotes found on the Internet is you have no way of confirming their authenticity."
                  -Abraham Lincoln

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                  • #10
                    JDoe
                    CGN/CGSSA Contributor - Lifetime
                    CGN Contributor - Lifetime
                    • Jul 2008
                    • 2414

                    Originally Posted by Some Idiot Reporter
                    Gun ControlA survey of more than 130 local police chiefs and officials found 37 percent reporting an increase in assault weapons in street crime.
                    One has to remember that their definition of an AW would also include a pump action .410 with that shoulder thing that goes up!


                    Unfortunately I am being serious.
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                    • #11
                      Milsurp Collector
                      Calguns Addict
                      CGN Contributor
                      • Jan 2009
                      • 5884

                      Originally posted by cortayack
                      Polls regularly show that the public, including most gun hobbyists, wants more realistic gun controls.


                      Who does these polls and where are these gun hobbyists............lol
                      Should be "a poll" instead of "polls" http://articles.latimes.com/2009/dec...ns16-2009dec16

                      When asked whether they supported or opposed a "proposal requiring all gun sellers at gun shows to conduct criminal background checks of the people buying guns," 69% of the NRA members and 85% of the nonmembers were in favor. This goes to the so-called gun-show loophole, which allows used-gun merchants to sell firearms without doing the background checks that are required when selling new guns. Attempts in Congress to close this loophole have died after meeting strong opposition from the NRA.

                      Gun owners also were asked whether they agreed or disagreed with this statement: "The federal government should not restrict the police's ability to access, use and share data that helps them enforce federal, state and local gun laws." This goes to the Tiahrt Amendments, provisions attached to federal spending bills that interfere with the ability of police agencies to use federal gun-trace data. The NRA is a big supporter of these amendments, but it's out of touch with its members; 69% of those polled agreed there should be no federal restrictions on trace data, as did 74% of gun owners as a whole.
                      Revolvers are not pistols

                      pistol nouna handgun whose chamber is integral with the barrel
                      Calling a revolver a "pistol" is like calling a magazine a "clip", calling a shotgun a rifle, or a calling a man a woman.

                      ExitCalifornia.org

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                      • #12
                        tonelar
                        Dinosaur
                        • Mar 2008
                        • 6080

                        "NY TIMES"
                        is all I had to read
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                        • #13
                          Whiskey84
                          Senior Member
                          • Jul 2008
                          • 1124

                          Originally posted by tonelar
                          "NY TIMES"
                          is all I had to read
                          This.
                          -James B.
                          Lifetime NRA Member

                          "I definitely think guns should be controlled. When I am sleeping, my guns raid my fridge and drink all the milk. Oh sure, they deny it in the morning - but I know it was them!"
                          Originally posted by IrishPirate
                          you can't argue logic with an anti....it's like trying to get an apple tree to grow bicycles

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                          • #14
                            Al Norris
                            Member
                            • Oct 2009
                            • 386

                            The above was the original press release. Please note who commissioned the poll and is issuing the press release.

                            Before you slap your head and go "DOH!", google the pollster himself, Frank Luntz and his polling company, The Word Doctors.

                            Here, I'll save you some trouble by listing the motto of this company: It's not what you say, it's what people hear.

                            Now let's look at the numbers. Let's say, for the sake of the argument, that truly random phone calls were placed.

                            The logical first question that would be asked: Are you a gun owner? The poll actually does this at question #3. If the answer is no, the call is terminated.

                            Question #4 asks if you are an NRA member. However the game was rigged. The call was to be terminated once the non-NRA sampling pool exceeded 400! No such instructions were given if the NRA pool exceeded that number.

                            832 people were eventually sampled. Within that sample are grouped 401 NRA members. That breaks down to 48% of the responses were by supposed NRA members. The NRA had something to say about this type of rigged polling, here.

                            This suggests that the poll was meant to show a preponderance of (supposed) NRA members. In case you missed it, this is all out of proportion to the population mix.

                            There is a bit of good news about this. An anomaly occurs with question 7 which asks: In general, do you feel that the laws covering the sale of guns should be made more strict, less strict, or kept as they are now?

                            48% (NRA) and 53% (non-NRA) responded to keep the laws as they are, while 35% (NRA) and 18% (non-NRA) responded the laws should be less strict. That is, 93% of the NRA respondents and 71% of the non-NRA respondents feels the current laws are just fine, if not a bit too strict now. (Please note, the poll does not differentiate between Federal, State or Local laws - just laws)

                            This is nowhere reported in any of the news blips I read between Dec. 11 and Jan 1. Of course, why should they report this? It doesn't conform to the thrust of the poll.

                            In conducting this poll, Word Doctors lives up to its name and motto.
                            Listings of the Current 2A Cases, over at the Firing Line.

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