Ridiculous Question

[professorhard]

At least he spelled "ridiculous" correctly. Over 75% of the time people spell it "rediculous". WTF is with that, does it even sound like "red"?

OMG I seriously thought I was the only one that noticed that. Everytime someone spells that word incorrectly it just makes me think that they're 12 years old.

[Glock21sfsd]

That is one ugly gun

[Cokebottle]

Not just gunnies... based on all of the various forums I'm on, I think "ridiculous" may be one of the most often misspelled words! It's right up there with using an apostrophe to mean "Look out! Here comes an 's'!"

Definately!

[Pyrodyne]

Exactly what is the appeal of this... thing? It looks like it has a huge storage area behind the mag, unless it is sporting some sort of rube goldberg trigger group in there. Additionally it must eject spent brass up and then right..?

[bigstick61]

I know a dealer in California who's an SOT and he has all of the DOJ permits he needs. It's not impossible. Although I think it helps that he does a large volume of business with police departments, but still...with an SOT, though, you have to be in it for the business; you can't just get the license/status just because.

[B Strong]

Wow, that thing is all kinds of illegal. It is almost a piece of art (despite its ugliness) how it manages to simultaneously qualify to violate so many different CA laws.

As mentioned, the silencer is illegal all by itself, and it could be a SBR (which does need a permit from DOJ). But also, that thing is a CAT 3 AW, regardless of whether it is considered a handgun or a rifle. Stay away from that thing!

With the state dealer permit and the fed. SOT there's nothing at all illegal about the weapon or the can.

Better yet, get the manufacturing license and the fed. SOT and build NFA goodies to your heart's content.

[freonr22]

what makes it a class 3 if its semiauto? is it the sbr part?



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[383green]

what makes it a class 3 if its semiauto? is it the sbr part?

Yes, the SBR part.

Definately!

My head just asploded!

[Surf&Skeet]

CAT 3 AW

[QUOTE=freonr22;3654275]what makes it a class 3 if its semiauto? is it the sbr part?


All AWs (except some shotguns) are Semiautomatic. If they are automatic, then they are not an AW, but rather a machine gun. Both require impossible to get permits from DOJ if not registered properly years ago. CAT 3 just refers to AWs based on features as opposed to listed AWs. Because the gun at issue here is either a semiauto, centerfire "rifle" with a forward pistol grip (among other things), it is a CAT 3 AW; Or it is considered a pistol, which is still a CAT 3 AW because it is semiauto, centerfire, which accepts a detachable magazine and has both: 1) a threaded barrel to accept a silencer, and 2) a second handgrip (either of these would qualify it as a CAT 3 AW).

See Penal Code section 12276.1 if you have any questions. Hope that helps.

[freonr22]

thank you

[Surf&Skeet]

With the state dealer permit and the fed. SOT there's nothing at all illegal about the weapon or the can.

Better yet, get the manufacturing license and the fed. SOT and build NFA goodies to your heart's content.

My understanding, correct me if I'm wrong, is that a "class 3" dealers license referenced herein is for C&Rs only. Based on that understanding, that firearm is a CAT 3 AW and such a person would not be able to buy it. Assuming I'm wrong, and such a person is able to buy an AW, the person definitely could not buy it without a SBR permit from DOJ.

Am I wrong as you understand things, and why?

[BONECUTTER]

been seeing alot of MW2 guns up on gunbroker lately! first a supposed WA2000, ACR's. now the vector! what's next, an intervention??

that would have a place right in my safe! right next to my imaginary F2000

The interventions have been available for years. http://www.gunbroker.com/Auction/Vie...Item=153960624

You can have a F2000 as well. http://www.gunbroker.com/Auction/Vie...Item=153493326

Been living under a rock?

[Surf&Skeet]

thank you

No problem.

[B Strong]

My understanding, correct me if I'm wrong, is that a "class 3" dealers license referenced herein is for C&Rs only. Based on that understanding, that firearm is a CAT 3 AW and such a person would not be able to buy it. Assuming I'm wrong, and such a person is able to buy an AW, the person definitely could not buy it without a SBR permit from DOJ.

Am I wrong as you understand things, and why?

The State and Fed. NFA dealers permit covers all NFA weapons, C & R, transferable, pre-sample, post-sample, the works. The state throws in a few extra hurdles just to get a few more dollars out of a licencsee.

The state AW laws don't have anything to do with NFA weapons on the state or fed level.

Here in California, individuals are by-and-large de facto prohibited from owning NFA weapons and devices as individuals, and the only option is to be a licensed dealer or manufacturer, in compliance with state and fed. law.

You can do a search here for NFA trusts for some insight into how individuals go about legally owning the few NFA goodies that are covered under state law.

[Cokebottle]

My head just asploded!

How did you type that if you head exploded?