Loaded open carry

[Alan Halcon]

Okay, my search fu is way off and I can't seem to connect the dots. I've asked two LEO friends and they're not sure.

If I have a california CCW can I open carry loaded in California? How about if I have a Utah or Florida CCW can I open carry in the states they have reciprocity with?

thanks
Alan

[GuyW]

If I have a california CCW can I open carry loaded in California?

NO!

How about if I have a Utah or Florida CCW can I open carry in the states they have reciprocity with?

Research their laws...
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[Shane916]

Not sure about the other states...but I assure you that CA's CCW literally means CCW.

[Liberty1]

If I have a california CCW can I open carry loaded in California?

There is a good argument for 'Yes'. But that is a question for later down the road. So I'd recommend not doing so at this time. So far one member who did that had his license revoked. He was not in a position to challenge the action at that time.

How about if I have a Utah or Florida CCW can I open carry in the states they have reciprocity with?

thanks
Alan

Depends on the state laws in which you are carrying.

What state do you want to talk about?

[gotgunz]

Am I missing something?

If you have a California CCW why would you want to carry exposed?

[Alan Halcon]

Thank you, gang. It was just a curious question.

As for states with reciprocity to Utah and Florida, it was just a question...

thanks
Alan

[Alan Halcon]

gotgunz, I knew someone would ask that.

I have a LEO friend who I have started doing ride alongs with. And, until the other officers get to know me, I don't want to be the guy to surprise anyone... especially since it is the night shift. And, as we know, the freaks come out at night. I'm not trying to play cop, but I'm also trying to check six.

thanks
Alan

[Cokebottle]

Thank you, gang. It was just a curious question.

As for states with reciprocity to Utah and Florida, it was just a question...

Generally CCW means CC. SOME states have open-carry laws, but they don't require a CCW to do so... Arizona is one. WRT LOC, every state is different.

In California, CCW means CCW, but as with AZ, there are unincorporated areas of some counties where LOC is legal... but the general answer, as given above, is "no", regardless of whether you have a CCW or not.

In general, states with reciprosity apply the same rules to both resident and non-resident holders, but there are some exceptions, as well as some reciprosity exceptions (such as Florida, Colorado, and other states that only recognize CCW from residents of the issuing state).
Sadly, Colorado has no reciprosity with CA, and they don't issue non-resident, so even though you may obtain a Utah or Florida permit... even with a CA permit, there is no legal way for a CA resident to CCW in Colorado.

[kcbrown]

California has so many laws that you're probably better off assuming that if you don't know that it's legal, then it's probably illegal...

In fact, I would be mildly surprised if there weren't a law encoding that very principle.

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12050

12031

[mej16489]

Okay, my search fu is way off and I can't seem to connect the dots. I've asked two LEO friends and they're not sure.

If I have a california CCW can I open carry loaded in California?

NO!

Incorrect, Unless there is something printed on the license to the effect of 'License not valid if firearm is not concealed' then there is no obligation to conceal. Therefore a CCW license, typically, has zero bearing on the Open aspect of Loaded Open Carry(LOC)

CA PC 12031 is the statute which dictates when a firearm may not be loaded. There is an exemption for anyone licensed pursuant to PC 12050 (CCW License). Therefore there is an explicit exemption for Loaded carry.

A + B = C
CCW License + Open Carry = Loaded Open Carry

However, if you get 'caught' you will likely get your license pulled. Therefore, wait to use a CCW license as a Loaded exemption until after we have Shall Issue CCW.

[GuyW]

^^^^^I guess I'm not in the mood to argue tonight^^^^

Readers, follow that advice at your own peril....

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[gotgunz]

gotgunz, I knew someone would ask that.

I have a LEO friend who I have started doing ride alongs with. And, until the other officers get to know me, I don't want to be the guy to surprise anyone... especially since it is the night shift. And, as we know, the freaks come out at night. I'm not trying to play cop, but I'm also trying to check six.

thanks
Alan

Ummmm? Why not just tell him you are carrying concealed?

Who would you be worried about surprising if it is concealed... I am not seeing this.

[mej16489]

^^^^^I guess I'm not in the mood to argue tonight^^^^

Readers, follow that advice at your own peril....

Firstly, I said it was currently a bad idea...
Secondly, argue with Gene he's supported my position on several occasions in these forums. One example is from here:

Simply having a license exempts you from the GFSZ and nowhere does it say that the firearm has to be concealed.
-Gene

[Alan Halcon]

gotgunz, Its not for his benifit, rather the benifit of the other leos who don't know me; and for me. I'm not on the force nor do I have the liberty of sitting in on briefs and or shaking hands with everyone.

At times I am asked to hang back and wait while they make safe. Well, during that time if another unit rolls up and I'm hanging without my driver, because he's with another group clearing, I want to look like I belong. I don't want to be confused as a perp with a gun they can ask me all the questions they want after. I'll be happy to answer.

I don't wear a uniform. And, If I have to draw, I don't want it to be a surprise, if the situation is tense.

I don't feel it's as black and white as you may think it is... I wish it was.

Alan