Bullet button---legal in CA

[Cokebottle]

I can dig it, but I didn't realize you could load the mag on an AR from the top like that. Isn't it kinda difficult?

Mod the takedown pins to allow for top-loading like the Carbon-15.
PITA, but better than not having a x-15 at all.

But IMHO, the DOJ rep simply fed a spoon of FUD to the shop owner.
The BB has been acceptable for what, 5 years now? At least 2.
There's too many in use to not have yet another grace period.

[glock_this]

I can dig it, but I didn't realize you could load the mag on an AR from the top like that. Isn't it kinda difficult?

this IS how it was done when we first started getting AR's CA legal back in the 2005ish days. you used a nice rear take down pin and flipped the upper up, loaded from the top into the mag. I modified speed loaders to fit the mag while in the magwell/receiver to try to speed it up. it was a PITA.

[glock_this]

Mod the takedown pins to allow for top-loading like the Carbon-15.

why mod them when you can buy YHM or Prince or some other custom ones off the web that have key chain holes and stick out so as to grab easier and pull

The BB has been acceptable for what, 5 years now? At least 2..

def not 5. 5 would be back before 2005 into 2004 and heck, it was just starting around then for CA AR people. in 2005 the best we could do was pinned mags like with Vulcan.. BB is maybe 2-3 years

[Cokebottle]

why mod them when you can buy YHM or Prince or some other custom ones off the web that have key chain holes and stick out so as to grab easier and pull

That's what I meant. Shouldn't have said "mod".

def not 5. 5 would be back before 2005 into 2004 and heck, it was just starting around then for CA AR people. in 2005 the best we could do was pinned mags like with Vulcan.. BB is maybe 2-3 years

Ya, wasn't really sure when it started. I knew the OLL thing started in '05 and the BB was much more recent. I figured probably 2 years.

Top loading won't really be an option on AK-platform rifles, right?
That means another grace period and another round of registration....
Meaning tens of thousands of new RAW in the state and the ability to remove the freaking maglocks and run 30rd mags.

No... I seriously doubt they are going to declare the BB illegal.

[CHS]

One thing that you need to tell the out-of-state dealer is that the DoJ is not like the BATFE. They don't have a "tech branch" who's job it is to write opinion letters and rulings all day long. They have a small bureau of firearms who's job is primarily to process background checks for gun purchases in CA. They do not approve or disapprove of firearms or devices in CA, with the exception of handguns that are qualified to appear on the Roster of Certified Handguns for Sale.

In fact, if you have a handgun that would be exempt from that roster (single shot or single-action revolver, etc) and you call the DoJ about approval, they'll simply tell you to read the law and make sure it's exempt and exempt guns don't need approval.

[thedrickel]

BB illegal? Who cares . . . there is an option known as "featureless" which is quite superior, both functionally and legally, IMHO.

Except when it comes to FALs, of course.

[glock_this]

BB illegal? Who cares . . . there is an option known as "featureless" which is quite superior, both functionally and legally, IMHO.

Except when it comes to FALs, of course.

but then you have to use one of those fugly, IMHO, stock/grip combos.. ick

[AndrewMendez]

LSD was legal at one time. I spoke to a gun shop owner who spoke to a representative of the CA DOJ while he was getting his yearly inventory/inspection and she informed him that in all likelihood the "Bullet Button" will become illegal in Ca as soon as they get the money/time to push that law thru. Probably by the end of 2010. I could be wrong but this is what I Heard

Where did she get the Crystal ball from?

If we are waiting for California to have money, then I think its pretty safe to say we are in the clear for the next 50 Years!!

[Suvorov]

Originally Posted by Bill Carson View Post
LSD was legal at one time. I spoke to a gun shop owner who spoke to a representative of the CA DOJ while he was getting his yearly inventory/inspection and she informed him that in all likelihood the "Bullet Button" will become illegal in Ca as soon as they get the money/time to push that law thru. Probably by the end of 2010. I could be wrong but this is what I Heard

Hmm, didn't realize the DOJ had the power to make laws

[ke6guj]

Hmm, didn't realize the DOJ had the power to make laws

"push that law through" would be code for have anti-gun legislators do CADOJ's bidding and submit legislation to do what CADOJ wanted.

[Suvorov]

"push that law through" would be code for have anti-gun legislators do CADOJ's bidding and submit legislation to do what CADOJ wanted.

So then, I didn't know it was the job of the DOJ to advocate or fund new laws, I though it was their job to enforce them

I think I am confused on this whole "tyranny thing"

[ke6guj]

So then, I didn't know it was the job of the DOJ to advocate or fund new laws, I though it was their job to enforce them

I think I am confused on this whole "tyranny thing"

you actually think that LE-agencies don't push for new laws from time to time? That they don't ask for "loopholes" to be closed?

[Suvorov]

you actually think that LE-agencies don't push for new laws from time to time? That they don't ask for "loopholes" to be closed?

Bullet buttons are not "loopholes", they are simply ways to comply with law. You assume nativity on my part, trust me, I know the way it rolls. Just pointing out that it is NOT the role of Law Enforcement to legislate.

IF this DOJ agent did say what the poster claimed, then she would have been far out of line (in addition to spreading FUD).

[ke6guj]

Bullet buttons are not "loopholes", they are simply ways to comply with law. You assume nativity on my part, trust me, I know the way it rolls. Just pointing out that it is NOT the role of Law Enforcement to legislate.

I know a BB isn't a "loophole", why do you think I put it in quotes?

My point is that it wouldn't take much for CADOJ to go to an anti-gun legislator and say "those pesky gun nuts found a loophole in your AW law. If you were to amend it to say XYZ, it could close the loophole that is allowing those gun nuts to buy AWs."

It may not be the role of LE to legislate, but are they prohibited from talking to legislators about laws they'd like to see passed, no.

[bodger]

I can dig it, but I didn't realize you could load the mag on an AR from the top like that. Isn't it kinda difficult?

I was being sarcastic. But I did have a Carbon 15 that toploaded. It was ridiculously cumbersome. I hope we never go back to that in lieu of BB's.

Bullet buttons are not "loopholes", they are simply ways to comply with law. You assume nativity on my part, trust me, I know the way it rolls. (snip)

Okay, that's the funniest typo I've seen in a while. Assuming nativity.

Away in a manger. Happy holidays.