92' felony

[MudCamper]

Best pick a better friend to go shooting with - your judged by the friends you keep.

Your world view is over-simplified. You have likely committed a felony (or several) throughout your life and don't even know it. Many "felonies" don't even have victims, like PC 12020.

Your friend can have a judge restore his rights (inluding the right to vote and own a firearm). It's quite a process, though.

I once knew a guy who had his rights restored. He'd answer "yes" on the 4473 and would then attach the judges order restoring his rights to the back.

That is entirely unnecessary. Look at the instructions on the form 4473:

He should be answering "NO".

[M1A Rifleman]

[QUOTE=MudCamper;3468129]Your world view is over-simplified. You have likely committed a felony (or several) throughout your life and don't even know it. Many "felonies" don't even have victims, like PC 12020.
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I disagree. 1st this is not about myself.
Second, it has nothing to do with a felony being intentionally or unintentionally committed, as this has no bearing on a firearm purchase. This issue is being found guilty in court of a felony, which does have a bearing on what you can do in life.

[MudCamper]

Second, it has nothing to do with a felony being intentionally or unintentionally committed, as this has no bearing on a firearm purchase. This issue is being found guilty in court of a felony, which does have a bearing on what you can do in life.

My point is that a good person can be convicted of a felony, even without a victim, like with PC 12020 (possession of a concealable weapon), or PC 12280 (assault weapons). Many so-called felonies shouldn't even be defined as crimes, but they are.

Also, many people make mistakes when they are young adults, but eventually do grow up and become responsible, and do not deserve a life-long prohibition of self-defense (and I' not talking about murderers, rapists, muggers or any other violent sociopaths).

[jdberger]

Your world view is over-simplified. You have likely committed a felony (or several) throughout your life and don't even know it. Many "felonies" don't even have victims, like PC 12020.



That is entirely unnecessary. Look at the instructions on the form 4473:



He should be answering "NO".

I don't know if this exception has changed - the events I was describing happened in the early 90s when the questions didn't include the Lautenberg amendment and a bunch of other stuff. IIRC, the 4473 even had a place for the shop owner to personally attest to knowledge of the buyer's identity in leiu of identification!

[M1A Rifleman]

I think we generally agree on different issues MudCamper. In this case:

My point is that a good person can be convicted of a felony, even without a victim, like with PC 12020 (possession of a concealable weapon), or PC 12280 (assault weapons). Many so-called felonies shouldn't even be defined as crimes, but they are.

I can agree with you here.

Also, many people make mistakes when they are young adults, but eventually do grow up and become responsible, and do not deserve a life-long prohibition of self-defense (and I' not talking about murderers, rapists, muggers or any other violent sociopaths).

Here, I think we will have to agree to disagree. While people do make mistakes growing up, there are or can be heavy consequences for some mistakes, and I'm not sure they should go away just because a person grows up. The system is sort of like the death penality scenario where a person (kid) is supposed to understand (parental training) that some mistakes growing up can affect you the rest of your life, so best wise-up and don't make the mistakes.

[MudCamper]

Here, I think we will have to agree to disagree. While people do make mistakes growing up, there are or can be heavy consequences for some mistakes, and I'm not sure they should go away just because a person grows up. The system is sort of like the death penality scenario where a person (kid) is supposed to understand (parental training) that some mistakes growing up can affect you the rest of your life, so best wise-up and don't make the mistakes.

Yes, but many "kids" may not have had good parenting, or had other difficult circumstances growing up, and although may make mistakes as young adults (bar fights, drug use, petty theft, whatever) they eventually learn to be good, decent, responsible people. Some even do this on their own without the benefit of any family at all. Yet we (society) punish these people for the rest of their lives. That is far too harsh. Really, what it is, it's just another way to ban guns from a huge class of Americans. "Felons" are a class of people that it's "OK" to discriminate against.

Again, I'm not talking about violent or repeat offenders. IMO if somebody can't be trusted with guns, then they should still be in prison.

[fourdoorchevelle]

If some one is not safe for fire arm ownership , than what are they doing out of jail? They can't even prohibit drug use in jail, let alone keep fire arms out of criminals hands on the streets. It's more about controlling the masses than keeping us safe . Big brother really doesn't gives 2 ****s about you . 99.99% just want to get reelected.