2:15am my wife wakes me up and says, "Get your gun"...

[jrannis]

[QUOTE=para38super;3434516]

Years is one thing, can we know mileage. I could own a Chevy for 20 years with only 50,000 with no problem. Or I can own a Toyota for 5 years and have 200,000 on it with no major problems.

They are all around 150 to 170k
Trans Am around 70k or so
the 06 around 60k

[Sheepdog1968]

I would NOT go outside (absolutely no good can come from it). Peak out the curtains from upstairs while calling the cops. Let them do their job. The car is insured.

[snobord99]

Nice info but. THEY SEND THE PROFITS BACK TO ASIA!!

YEA! AND THEY DON'T PAY THEIR WORKERS HERE! (extreme sarcasm).

[snobord99]

I have owned three new Chevys, kept the first one for 10 years and gave to a friend. The only problems I had were two water pumps and one AC compressor.
I bought another one. Its going on 11 years now. Two water pumps.
I wish it would die so that I could justify getting a newer model but its like the energizer bunny.
06 Diesel Chevy I bought new for my business. Nothin better!
I have a 04 Pontiac with 135k miles on it and no problem
96 Trans Am running factory strong.
I see my neighbors get rid of their foreign cars every few years and wonder how they must like those $600 car payments.

I love cars. All cars. I don't care where they're made. That said, if I had to bet on which car would make it to 200,000 miles, I'd put it on a Honda LOOOONG before I'd put it on a Chevy.

Personally, I think the market is a pretty good indicator of what's good and what's not and, as far as I know, no foreign automaker came close to needing a bailout.

That said, Corvette > damn near every Honda.

[davew]

Nice info but. THEY SEND THE PROFITS BACK TO ASIA!!

Honda is listed on NYSE and all US profits go to these shareholders wherever they are, US, Asia, EU, North Pole.... most are large US based isntritutional investors:

http://shareholders.morningstar.com/owners/MajorShareholders.aspx?t=HMC&region=USA&culture=en-US

The state of Michigan being one of their 10 ten largest owners....

[Meplat]

Been there, done that, got the t-shirt. Didn't have as much fun as you did.

...she was convinced that someone was stealing our brand-new 2010 Honda Civic. She heard the alarm going off and heard some banging and clanging outside.

So we go to the front door and slowly (and quietly) open it. I creep outside and it turns out that it wasn't my car that was being messed with. It turns out a teenager (who looked VERY intoxicated) was fumbling and bumbling around in his own (or his parents?) vehicle and couldn't turn the alarm off.

So here's my question. If I WERE to catch someone stealing my car and I used my handgun to tell the guy to get away AND (God forbid) I had to use the gun for self defense, would that be considered self defense or would it be considered a type of vigilante-ism.

I know lethal force is not allowed to be used to protect your property. But if I have a loaded firearm on my own property and go to investigate something outside and it turns out to be a bad guy who then becomes aggressive, am I (hypothetically) justified?

I gotta tell you...getting woken up by your wife during the witching hour with the words, "...get your gun" is a pretty adrenaline pumping, nerve wracking, and down right scary thing. But I have to admit that a small part of me (I guess its the small remnants of my young, dumb, and full of ..... part of me) took a small amount of joy when making the decision to grab my XD45 service or XD9 Subcompact.

[E Pluribus Unum]

I love cars. All cars. I don't care where they're made. That said, if I had to bet on which car would make it to 200,000 miles, I'd put it on a Honda LOOOONG before I'd put it on a Chevy.

I have beaten the hell out of my 1992 Chevrolet K1500 Silverado. It has gone places Hondas only dream about. 230k miles and counting.

[BillCA]

The biggest problem here is that outside you house, you lose the presumption of "reasonable fear of death or great bodily harm." If you shoot in self defense inside your house, the prosecution has to prove that a reasonable person would not have had such a fear -- a high burden. But outside the house, it falls on you to establish that a reasonable person would have been in such fear -- and as others have noted, when evidence is introduced that you came out of the house with a gun, this may not be a trivial burden to meet.

You raise a very good point.

However, I think it's wrong to suggest we stay in our homes and cower, waiting for police to come tell us that a thief has smashed the window, stolen our personal property, destroyed the dashboard to get the radio/CD and equalizer, shredded one seat and removed the airbag(s) from the car.

Especially when most thieves will flee if attention is brought to bear on them.

I think a lot of folks have performed their favorite exercise (jumping to conclusions) about the OP. Most of the posts seemed to forget a key element.

The presense of your firearm is not necessarily to hold the perpetrator at gunpoint, but to defend against his attacking youFor intermediate cases - such as he ignores you and starts backing up his "booty" - things like pepper spray can allow you to disable or deter him until PD arrives.

[snobord99]

I have beaten the hell out of my 1992 Chevrolet K1500 Silverado. It has gone places Hondas only dream about. 230k miles and counting.

I'm not saying I don't think a Chevy CAN make it that long. I'm saying if I had to place a bet right now on which would last longer, a Chevy or a Honda, I wouldn't even have to think about it. The odds favor the Honda, no doubt about it.

[E Pluribus Unum]

I'm not saying I don't think a Chevy CAN make it that long. I'm saying if I had to place a bet right now on which would last longer, a Chevy or a Honda, I wouldn't even have to think about it. The odds favor the Honda, no doubt about it.

That is definitely true; you are not comparing apples to apples though.

You might be able to make that Toyota "beer can" last longer on the road, but in an accident, I'd prefer my chevrolet.

[Meplat]

If you pull out a gun you better be prepared to use it.

Wise advice. Preferably the bad guy never even knows you have it until it goes off. Trying to intimidate criminals, with a gun usually turns out badly.

[Meplat]

What I was taught-

If you discharge your firearm in a self defense setting-

1 Be prepared to go to jail (at least for 48 hours)

I am.

2 Be prepared to spend at least 10K on legal fees to get clear of the event.

My life is worth more than $10.000.

3 Be prepared to be ostracized in the community.

You really need to find a community with better values.

If all that is better than dealing with the insurance company.... enjoy your choice.

[snobord99]

That is definitely true; you are not comparing apples to apples though.

You might be able to make that Toyota "beer can" last longer on the road, but in an accident, I'd prefer my chevrolet.

Haha, maybe, but we're talking reliability, not will I live long enough to see how reliable it is .

Besides, these things are model specific. According to automotive.com, Chevy Silverado > Toyota Tundra, but Chevy Cobalt < Honda Civic in "will I live" factors. At the end of the day if I was buying a car, I'll look at the model, not the brand .

[snobord99]

I'm surprised no one has mentioned this yet...not completely on point, but still somewhat relevant to the discussion.

http://cbs2.com/video/?id=120951@kcbs.dayport.com