AB 962 question

[lietuvs]

Hello, I hear people saying that we still can order ammo on-line, eventhough AB 962 was signed couple weeks ago. Is it true?
Thanks.

[3GunFunShooter]

You can still order until Jan or Feb orf 2011.

[lietuvs]

Thank you!

[Nxd9ar15xcrL]

Feb of 2011

[chiefcrash]

Even after Feb 2011, you can still order rifle and shotgun ammo, if I remember correctly...

AB 962 only applied to handgun ammo...

[bwiese]

And after Feb 2011, if 962 still stands (!), you can still mailorder if you have a C&R FFL + CoE.

[bodger]

Even after Feb 2011, you can still order rifle and shotgun ammo, if I remember correctly...

AB 962 only applied to handgun ammo...

Has there been any further clarification on whether or not .223 is going to be considered handgun ammo and therefore prohibited?

Not that I think most online vendors are going to bother to sift through this law and continue to sell to Kali regardless of
"off list ammo". But some might.

[Librarian]

Has there been any further clarification on whether or not .223 is going to be considered handgun ammo and therefore prohibited?

Not that I think most online vendors are going to bother to sift through this law and continue to sell to Kali regardless of
"off list ammo". But some might.

No. That would come out of DOJ implementing regs and guidance, and since this has an effective date of 2/11, I expect they won't get around to it before next summer.

[Quiet]

Has there been any further clarification on whether or not .223 is going to be considered handgun ammo and therefore prohibited?

Is .223 ammo principally used for handguns?
If not, then no, it is not considered handgun ammo.


Penal Code 12323
As used in this chapter, the following definitions shall apply:
(a) "Handgun ammunition" means ammunition principally for use in pistols, revolvers, and other firearms capable of being concealed upon the person, as defined in subdivision (a) of Section 12001, notwithstanding that the ammunition may also be used in some rifles.

[bodger]

Is .223 ammo principally used for handguns?
If not, then no, it is not considered handgun ammo.


Penal Code 12323
As used in this chapter, the following definitions shall apply:
(a) "Handgun ammunition" means ammunition principally for use in pistols, revolvers, and other firearms capable of being concealed upon the person, as defined in subdivision (a) of Section 12001, notwithstanding that the ammunition may also be used in some rifles.

Hopefully, that portion of the penal code will be the guideline for AB962 when DOJ implements their regs and guidance..

[IrishPirate]

Has there been any further clarification on whether or not .223 is going to be considered handgun ammo and therefore prohibited?

Not that I think most online vendors are going to bother to sift through this law and continue to sell to Kali regardless of
"off list ammo". But some might.

i've never seen .223 anywhere other than on the rifle shelf. what i'd be worried about is .22 rounds. i think 22lr should be safe because of the LR=long rifle, but you never know.

And after Feb 2011, if 962 still stands (!), you can still mailorder if you have a C&R FFL + CoE.

how hard is it to get the CoE and what are the costs????

[bodger]

i've never seen .223 anywhere other than on the rifle shelf. what i'd be worried about is .22 rounds. i think 22lr should be safe because of the LR=long rifle, but you never know.

The bulk of the .38 and .357 I shoot are used in my Model 1894 Marlin rifle.
But, of course, that's not a caliber used primarily in a rifle, so that's that.

I just hope they don't do the usual Sac 'tard thing and include any ammo that can be fired from a handgun in this ridiculous ban.

[Dr Rockso]

how hard is it to get the CoE and what are the costs????

IIRC it's $100 for the first year and significantly less for annual renewal. I haven't bothered to get one to go with my 03 yet, but if you're eligible to buy a handgun you're eligible for a CoE. You have to get your fingerprints done with LiveScam and send some paperwork to the DOJ.

[BunnySlayer]

Does anyone know if this bill/law will apply to reloading components as well as loaded ammunition? I haven't been able to find a clear answer.

[bodger]

Does anyone know if this bill/law will apply to reloading components as well as loaded ammunition? I haven't been able to find a clear answer.

Nothing in AB962 specifies reloading components as being included in the application of this bill.




From AB962 regarding handgun ammo:

(b) "Handgun ammunition" means handgun ammunition as defined in
subdivision (a) of Section 12323, but excluding ammunition designed
and intended to be used in an "antique firearm" as defined in Section
921(a)(16) of Title 18 of the United States Code. Handgun ammunition
does not include blanks.

Section 12323 Subdivision (a):

(a) "Handgun ammunition" means ammunition principally for use in
pistols, revolvers, and other firearms capable of being concealed
upon the person, as defined in subdivision (a) of Section 12001,
notwithstanding that the ammunition may also be used in some rifles.