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That opinion piece seems to try really, really hard to link the healthcare reform debate to 2A rights, and it's failing miserably.
Remember, this is the same media outlet that published that piece a few months ago claiming that Stephen Hawking would have died a long time ago if he had been enduring the UK healthcare system... apparently ignoring he had been a NHS patient for decades, since he has been living in the UK his whole life. Embarrassing.Last edited by a1c; 10-22-2009, 10:59 PM.WTB: French & Finnish firearms. WTS: raw honey, tumbled .45 ACP brass, stupid cat.Comment
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We're talking healthcare here, not technology.
I hate it when someone ties the 2A with some other issue that has nothing to do with it. We need to focus on defending our RKBA and be an advocate for it. Tying it to current political issues that have nothing to do with it is just going to alienate more people from our cause. That opinion piece is just a hack job and ridiculously divisive. It is using the 2A as a hot button to rally some people against another issue that's completely unrelated.Last edited by a1c; 10-22-2009, 11:42 PM.WTB: French & Finnish firearms. WTS: raw honey, tumbled .45 ACP brass, stupid cat.Comment
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Different site and author, but the direction is the same.
Clearly, these people are seeing a possible opening and are going for it."Gun related violence is a public health problem - it diverts considerable health care resources away from other problems and, therefore, is of interest to NIH," Don Ralbovsky, NIH spokesman, wrote in an e-mail responding to questions about the grants.
Why attack the 2nd Amendment directly when you can flank it?Originally posted by Hillary Clinton
Why aren't I 50 points ahead?!Comment
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It's not reform, it's sabotage."You can't stop insane people from doing insane things with insane laws. That's insane!" -- Penn Jillette
Discretionary Issue is the new Separate but Equal.Originally posted by indiandaveComment
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It's the slippery slope argument. Right now, this thing is just a study, however, if universal health care is enacted, the government has a direct hand in trying to control costs. Then the people who drink and smoke will be punished through a tax, as well as gun owners, who will also be taxed as it'll be considered a health risk.
Keep in mind these guys will not try to take the 2A head on, it'll be some kind of backdoor action that makes it too expensive or a major PITA to own a gun.Comment
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Backdoor, frontdoor, it doesn't matter. Any attempt to do what you're talking about will have the feds hauled into a federal court to explain why they are attempting to backdoor tax a fundamental right. I would be more worried pre-Heller, but post-Heller, not gonna happen.
If the NRA isn't sounding an alarm over the health care bill, then there isn't really an issue to be concerned about. The tax issues are laid out bare. NONE of the health care bills allow for taxes on the basis of what you're talking about. Resorting to believing flat out lies doesn't help our cause.
As Mike stated, NRA is a *single-issue* organization. Do you not think that NRA's lobbyists hasn't very closely watched every amendment and everything that could in any way effect gun owners?Last edited by Gray Peterson; 10-23-2009, 2:37 PM.Comment
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More government in our lives is not a good thing. Its just only gonna get worse and freedoms less. This health care socialist "reforms" are a danger to our ways of life. Also theres a treaty in the works that endangers our Constitution and national Sovereignty.
http://wattsupwiththat.files.wordpre...hagen-2009.pdf actual treaty..."The strongest reason for the people to retain the right to keep and bear arms is, as a last resort, to protect themselves against tyranny in government."
Thomas Jefferson
Californian born and orginally from the Central Coast (Arroyo Grande, CA) who is currently serving in the Air National Guard of Missouri.
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Cn't say it emphatically enough...
NRA is a *SINGLE-ISSUE organization and needs to stay OUT of the health-care debate. (not to mention abortion, drugs and any other social issue you can think of.)
Believe it or not, NOT EVERYONE AGREES WITH YOU. There are NRA members that support health care reform. There are NRA members that support abortion and drug legalization and multilingualism. NRA members fall on every side of every issue.
You would destroy the unity of the Second Amendment movement, having NRA waste it's clout and power on unrelated stuff.
Don't depend on NRA to fix the GOP. The "R" in NRA doesn't stand for "Republican". (If it did, NRA would likely turn into a bunch of sellouts too. Let's keep NRA focused on what it does best.)sigpic
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Yes Dr. I own guns, ink, and I know a few words
Let me see if I have this right. Own a gun and, unless you give it up, you can be priced out of your health insurance. Could you carry that type of thinking to ink? If you own a computer or typewriter you need ink with wich to write a post, column,etc that could be construed as hate speech, wich could lead to violence that could fill up emergency rooms. Therefore own ink, cancel health insurance. How about words ? Say something that may be taken as hatefull, or say something against the present administration. Cut out your tongue or be canceled. And on & on & on.Comment
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