Dismal Republican candidates for governor

[7x57]

IE. he used a Dodge Dart instead of the limo

Dodge Dart.

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[7x57]

I don't know if I would characterize Brown as solidly pro-gun. I really haven't been able to find much of anything outside of this site.

The fact is, you won't. Wonder how a basically pro-2A politician survives in the California Democratic party? By being stealthy.

But...it's quite clear that he's been pro-2A below the radar. Multiple insider sources corroborate each other. But it isn't going to get posted around, because that would force him to choose between his career and support for the 2A. There is no doubt he'd choose his career--he's not "one of us" in that sense. But the same is probably true on other issues--he's as solidly pro-2A as he probably is on other issues, just quieter because he goes against the Received wisdom of his party.

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[nicki]

Purpose

The reality is the 3 RINOS probably will have a hard time raising money, they will probably self fund much of their campaigns.

The few conservative republicans that we have left in this state that could get any support across the state won't run because the truth is the chance of winning is slim.

As such, the moderates in the Republican party are trying to turn the party against us by claiming that the only way the republicans can win is to put forth candidates who support "sensible gun laws".

What ever happened to the party of "Less government, more freedom"?

None of the 3 RINOS represent those values unless your definition for less government only applies to corporations.

The Republican party is losing because they are not true to their own professed values.

We don't have to have a "Great Candidate", what we need is someone who is extremely articulate on the 2nd amendment and a few other key issues.

The state budget is blown because we have too many laws, too much regulation, which leads to too much spending.

We have many posts about how to reach California gun owners. Having a Candidate running in the Republican primary because all the major candidates are wrong on the gun issue lets everyone know we are here.

We have 10,000 active members, we have some very creative posters on this board, people who have a sense of humor.

Personally I would lean toward a Ron Paul type Republican.

We could have someone who is Pro Gun, Moderately Pro Life, pro pot legalization because of 9th, 10th amendment and commerce clause issues and if we wanted to have real fun, anti prop 8 because marriage should be a function of God, not the state.

The media likes stories with conflict and controversy.

Many on this board feel that we need to help JB.

Well, IMHO if the 3 RINOs have to deal with the above issues, they will be seriously damaged by the end of the primaries if they can't duck these issues.

The Republican party needs to be purged of the NEOCONS and the MODERATES and replaced with Libertarian Conservatives who will make the party true to what is supposed to be it's core message:

Less Government, more freedom.

I don't expect us to put much effort into this, we float this as a trial balloon and see what happens.

Sure there will probably be some backlash, some mistakes will be made, and we probably will anger some people on our side.

But you know, if you want an omellette, you have to break some eggs.

We have a governors race every 4 years, being against gun rights was the kiss of death in California in the 1982 and 1986 elections. We had setbacks in 1989, but we fought back in the early 1990's and for a short while we came close to actually getting shall issue.

The 3 RINOs think we have no choice, all I am saying is let's have a solid Pro Gun candidate that we can vote for to send a message in the primary, then after the dust clears, support JB in the general election.

Many gun owners will vote for the 3 RINOS because many will assume that JB is bad on guns because he is a liberal democrat.

You can bet the republican party is going to downplay the gun values of any of the 3 RINOs in the general election.

The RNC is probably going to put pressure on the national NRA to tie the hands of the state NRA regarding the governor's race, I'm not going to say the NRA will cave, but the pressure will be there.

Nicki


Nicki

[7x57]

What ever happened to the party of "Less government, more freedom"?

Dubya re-defined it. Seriously.

We don't have to have a "Great Candidate", what we need is someone who is extremely articulate on the 2nd amendment and a few other key issues.

More than likely we need a candidate who is extremely articulate on other issues and somewhat stealthy on guns.

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[Desert Cowboy]

Well, I guess if you're going to throw away your vote, a Calguns candidate would be better than nothing.

It seems that most here feel a third party candidate is a waste of a vote. I think the only wasted vote is the one not cast. There will be two strong 2A candidates on the ballot, but they will get overlooked and thrown aside by most people in the general population, and from Calguns as well. The Libertarian candidate and the Constitution party candidate will both be strong supporters of gun rights and smaller government.
The constitution party is putting up Chelene Nightingale for governor, you can check out their entire platform at their website but for guns it is something like this: To bear arms. Bear: to carry, possess, transport. Arms: anything used in battle or to best another. you can check out the constitution party at constitutionparty.com
The Libertarian party hasnt yet picked their candidate for governor, that will happen at their convention you can check out the libertarians at lp.org.

It may be a wasted vote in the eyes of most but if you vote your principles and your core beliefs, and if those beliefs include second amendment rights near the top of that list, then these two political parties should be considered as voting options.

[lobonegro]

I think Nicki sort of has this right. We (NRA, CGN, RKBA lobby) need to have input on who is going to be nominated. Time to stop allowing RINO's the ability to run as republicans.

The republican party needs to hold strict guidelines as to who can run under their ticket. Don't allow fringe candidates to define the republican party, but define themselves. We should have a core set of beliefs that all repubs should hold true with an allowance of +/-15% variance to reflect the county and/or state's leanings.

Lets say for example as non negotiable core beliefs,
1) Fiscally conservative
2) Pro 2nd ammendment
3) Strict constructionism

And other issues that will allow us to capture a larger segment of the population here in California,
1) Pro-Choice

But that the republican party has the ability to deny them the title of republican for the sake of running for office.

[nicki]

Stealth not!

More than likely we need a candidate who is extremely articulate on other issues and somewhat stealthy on guns.

Not in the Republican primary we don't, especially when the other three are anti gun.

Hell, that guy who opened carried in NH and Chris Mathews tried to publically tear apart on hardball would probably get at least 10 percent of the vote just by putting his name on the ballot here.

We don't need a stealth candidate, what we need is someone who can speak, who isn't a suit because that is what people are tired off.

I don't think our person will win, but what they will do is send a message and at the same time let frustrated gun owners know they have a home and that home is calguns.

Nicki

[GuyW]

....The Republican party is losing because they are not true to their own professed values.

versus this:

We could have someone who is Pro Gun, Moderately Pro Life, pro pot legalization because of 9th, 10th amendment and commerce clause issues and if we wanted to have real fun, anti prop 8 because marriage should be a function of God, not the state.

A pro-gun RINO? no thanx.
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[7x57]

A pro-gun RINO? no thanx.

While I generally agree with the sentiment, the Constitutional argument that the feds have no power to regulate drugs seems reasonable to me.

The bigger problem is that we'd have to re-wire too many people's heads to understand the point. It's too fine a distinction. I'm not really in favor of legalized drugs (the main reason to consider it is the amount of money it funnels to the worst people in the world, same as with alcohol Prohibition), but I'm in favor of obeying the law and letting the states define their policies.

Freedom means being free to do bad things, and that applies to state powers as well as to individual freedom.

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[Biff...]

I'm re registering lib, just to vote for Jerry in the primaries. Thats the best chance to get a decent candidate.

[vrylak]

I'll just write in Tom McClintock. Wouldn't it be amazing if he'd won just by being a write-in.

[bigstick61]

Barring someone entering the race at the last minute, I'll probably write in McClintock as well.

[nicki]

Tom McClintock?

If Tom McClintock enters the race, he will have my vote.

That could mean that we would have to choose between Tom McClintock and Jerry Brown.

That is a election problem I could live with.

Right now I am dreading that I am going to have to vote for a Democrat to save my gun rights in November.

Nicki

[nicki]

Tom McClintock?

If Tom McClintock enters the race, he will have my vote.

That could mean that we would have to choose between Tom McClintock and Jerry Brown.

That is a election problem I could live with.

Right now I am dreading that I am going to have to vote for a Democrat to save my gun rights in November.

Nicki

[mcsoupman]

Thanks Nicki for your passion about doing something. I know we have a big governor's race coming up. If JB is more Libertarian than Liberal, I can accept that. AT 35 I wasn't quite available for his first time around, but I remember lots of comments being shared about him. Many have said he can't do much because of our state legislature anyway.

Well, why don't we target this crazy legislature then? How can we target some of the worst offenders (e.g. DeLeon) and unseat them?