Transport a hand gun in an SUV with trigger lock without a lock box

[tiko]

I saw a guy next to me in the shooting range, he carry a plastic box, inside is his SW 686 with a trigger lock on. His box doesn't have a lock and he drove an SUV (no trunk). I am in no position to tell him that is illegal to transport, but I can show this thread to him to correct him!
Please tell him that he is doing OK or not.

[CSACANNONEER]

If the trigger lock is a "locked container" he is alright. If it isn't, he's breaking the law. Now, he can legally transport it without any container (or lock if he chooses) as long as he doesn't drive through a prohibited zone. The problem with this is that most LEOs don't understand the law and it'll cost him dearly for transporting it openly on his seat or dashboard.

[KylaGWolf]

Yes you could show him this thread. If the box itself doesn't lock he is illegal. But he could put that same gun on the seat without the box and be perfectly legal.

When I transport my gun I put it in the case and padlock the case. Only because I live in school zone hell so when I leave the house it goes in the locked case then in the trunk. The only time I didn't have it in the trunk was on the trip to NV only because there was 2000 rounds of ammo in the trunk and with everything else that was in there was NO ROOM for the guns too. So those got put on the floorboard of the back seat underneath the suitcase.

[Librarian]

The problem seems to be an often-encountered error: one thinks that the requirement is that the gun be locked.

That's not the law. PC12026.1 and 12026.2 specify

(c) As used in this section, "locked container" means a secure
container which is fully enclosed and locked by a padlock, key
lock, combination lock, or similar locking device.

It's the container which must be locked.

See http://wiki.calgunsfoundation.org/in...p/Transporting

[Theseus]

The problem seems to be an often-encountered error: one thinks that the requirement is that the gun be locked.

That's not the law. PC12026.1 and 12026.2 specify
It's the container which must be locked.

See http://wiki.calgunsfoundation.org/in...p/Transporting

^ This.

A trigger lock does not exempt you from anything except liability from damage if someone was to steal your gun and use it to cause harm to someone.

That is why all my guns have a trigger lock on them.

Oh, and to add. . . It is only illegal to have it in a school zone. Otherwise as mentioned above, he is good to go.

[Decoligny]

^ This.

A trigger lock does not exempt you from anything except liability from damage if someone was to steal your gun and use it to cause harm to someone.

That is why all my guns have a trigger lock on them.

Oh, and to add. . . It is only illegal to have it in a school zone. Otherwise as mentioned above, he is good to go.

Only if the person who "steals" your gun is a minor, who didn't break into your house to steal the gun.

The only time you have any liability under the law is if you don't have a trigger lock on your gun, and a minor who has legal access to your house accesses the gun and then either brandishes the gun in a public place, or injures or kills someone with the gun. Then you could be charged with either first or second degree criminal storage of a firearm.

[WokMaster1]

OP, how do you know that once he gets to his SUV that he did not slip the plastic container in a briefcase with a lock? Did you stalk him & watch his every move?

[GrizzlyGuy]

Like others have said, he's transporting a concealed firearm without a suitable exemption. Under PC 12025, that's a misdemeanor and maybe even a felony if the gun isn't registered to him. This is the law he is running afoul of:

http://law.onecle.com/california/penal/12025.html

This thread may help him understand as well:

http://www.calguns.net/calgunforum/showthread.php?t=223093

[pmrtruck]

These laws are all RETARDED!
Congress is RETARDED!

[woodsman]

These laws are all RETARDED!
Congress is RETARDED!

Yes they are. Sadly, we have supreme retardeness in the PRK.

[wildhawker]

These laws are all RETARDED!
Congress is RETARDED!

What does Congress have to do with these laws? I think you're conflating legislative bodies and their jurisdictions.

[wildhawker]

Yes they are. Sadly, we have supreme retardeness[sic] in the PRK.

We live in California, which is abbreviated as "CA", not "PRK".

Congress is the legislative body of the Federal government which meets in Washington, D.C.

The California Legislature, who created the law currently being discussed here, meets in Sacramento.

[Sam1]

in my tahoe there's a locked compartment under the seat that requires a key to open, thats where I transport mine since it's legal because it's not the glove box/compartment. I also use the cable lock but I wrap it around the guns case handle and lock it

[GuyW]

in my tahoe there's a locked compartment under the seat that requires a key to open, thats where I transport mine since it's legal because it's not the glove box/compartment. I also use the cable lock but I wrap it around the guns case handle and lock it

Also can't be in a "utility box". What's that? I dunno. Is yours a utility box? I dunno.

Use of a "key" isn't required by the Penal Code.
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[mmartin]

in my tahoe there's a locked compartment under the seat that requires a key to open, thats where I transport mine since it's legal because it's not the glove box/compartment. I also use the cable lock but I wrap it around the guns case handle and lock it

The law reads "locked container in the vehicle other than the utility or glove compartment". I don't know that you *are* legal unless you can find something that indicates your under-seat container is *NOT* a utility compartment. a locking console compartment (between the seats) is generally cosidered a utility compartment. my hubby was told that his locking pickup-bed tool box (which is bolted to the bed) IS a utility compartment (2 references, San Diego and Riverside counties) and therefore doesn't constitute an appropriate locked container.

(1) The firearm is within a motor vehicle and it is locked in the
vehicle's trunk or in a locked container in the vehicle other than
the utility or glove compartment.

Megan