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  • hoffmang
    I need a LIFE!!
    • Apr 2006
    • 18448

    Paul Helmke thinks CGF agrees with him

    We've hit the big time. Paul Helmke is in the Huffington Post claiming that, because CGF wants actual facts about a crime that we should support his desire to get firearms trace data:

    Gun Lobby Group Argues That More Access Is Needed To Gun Data

    Read more at: http://www.huffingtonpost.com/paul-h..._b_296278.html

    Gun violence prevention advocates, public health researchers and members of the media are the "usual suspects" pushing officials at different levels of government for information about firearms used in crime.

    Unfortunately, these groups are frequently stymied by the Tiahrt restrictions, which place unnecessary limits on what government officials can say about such weapons. This secrecy helps keep the public in the dark about the nature of the illegal gun market, and makes it difficult for public officials to formulate policy to disrupt illegal gun trafficking and use.

    Now, in the wake of the tragic shootings of four Oakland police officers in March, a California gun lobby organization known as Calguns finds itself also trying to get crime gun information about the weapons used in those murders. In their case, they want to oppose efforts to make high-capacity ammunition magazines harder to get in California rather than stop illegal gun sales, but their position is instructive.

    Former Senator Daniel Patrick Moynihan said, "You are entitled to your own opinion, but you are not entitled to your own facts." Apart from their views about gun violence prevention, the effort by Calguns suggests that they too realize that the public needs to know the facts about guns involved in shootings and other crimes in order to adequately debate gun policy.

    The question of public access to crime gun trace data is a little dry, and it may be difficult to keep the public's interest for very long. Still, if we want to do something about the 100,000 deaths and injuries from guns that occur every year in this country, we need to learn more about what guns are used in crime and where they come from.

    It was because of these issues that candidate Barack Obama made a specific promise to repeal the Tiahrt Amendment during his 2008 campaign. His Administration has yet to do what he promised, however, and efforts to combat the illegal gun market - which fuels gun crime across America - are suffering because of it.


    Read more at: http://www.huffingtonpost.com/paul-h..._b_296278.html
    Of course the problem with his fallacy is that most gun traces aren't from gun crime. I suggest Mr. Helmke get his facts straight. I wonder if he'll respond to a records request...

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  • #2
    Nodda Duma
    • Nov 2007
    • 3455

    Paul Helmke spreading FUD about Calguns. If he was smarter, I'd think he was trying to imply on purpose that Calguns' goals are in line with the Brady Bunch. If the gun community at large began to believe that, Calguns reputation would be destroyed (at least outside of CA). I don't think he's that smart, but it's best not to underestimate the guy.

    That or the Brady Bunch is being forced into an accommodating role due to changing public perception of the 2nd Amendment. 10 yrs ago he would have never conceded that a pro-gun group had a good idea.

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    • #3
      Dr Rockso
      Veteran Member
      • Jan 2008
      • 3701

      ....

      Simply wanting to know what type of weapon was used in a high-profile crime is miles away from what that nutball wants.

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      • #4
        383green
        Veteran Member
        • Jan 2006
        • 4328

        Does he truly not understand the difference between "tell me everything uncovered by every ownership and transfer records search" vs. "what does one specific gun in your evidence locker look like"?
        They don't care about your stupid guns! --Mitch
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        • #5
          gregorylucas
          Senior Member
          • Mar 2008
          • 509

          More and more proof that these folks are a few bricks short of a load.

          Greg

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          • #6
            Fjold
            I need a LIFE!!
            • Oct 2005
            • 22778

            It's also more proof that what we say here is monitored by the anti's and they will use it for their own purposes.
            Frank

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            • #7
              Dr Rockso
              Veteran Member
              • Jan 2008
              • 3701

              Originally posted by 383green
              Does he truly not understand the difference between "tell me everything uncovered by every ownership and transfer records search" vs. "what does one specific gun in your evidence locker look like"?
              To borrow a phrase, the difference between the two is "the difference between me having a sip of wine and 30 seconds with your daughter, and a bottle of gin and a night with her."

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              • #8
                Gray Peterson
                Calguns Addict
                • Jan 2005
                • 5817

                Ahhh, yes, Paul "I'm a law and order (read: fascist) Republican" Helmke. Repeat a lie often enough and even you start believing it yourself. Case in point.

                Anyone ask for a counterpoint over at HuffPo?

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                • #9
                  RRangel
                  CGN/CGSSA Contributor - Lifetime
                  CGN Contributor - Lifetime
                  • Oct 2005
                  • 5164

                  An argument like this is completely normal for Paul Helmke and other victim disarming extremists. The very same reason the man has no credibility. I'm not being unfair when I say Paul Helmke is a liar.

                  If it were not for a complicit media, rich elitist donors like Hollywood bubble people, and the anti-gun politicians that are in bed with him, you wouldn't know his name.

                  His organization needs attention and large amounts of donor money from connected people trapped in their bubble world since it can't compete at the grassroots level. Bending the truth, concealing the truth, and outright lies are the norm.

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                  • #10
                    technique
                    I need a LIFE!!
                    • Jan 2008
                    • 10639

                    We should pull a "Kathy Lynch" on him...
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                    • #11
                      lioneaglegriffin
                      Veteran Member
                      • Apr 2008
                      • 3897

                      if you can't beat 'em join 'em ish?
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                      • #12
                        KylaGWolf
                        Senior Member
                        • Jul 2008
                        • 1698

                        OK I think Helmke has been smoking a bit too much of something. Or he is scared take your pick. I am betting on the later.
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                        • #13
                          yellowfin
                          Calguns Addict
                          • Nov 2007
                          • 8371

                          Originally posted by KylaGWolf
                          OK I think Helmke has been smoking a bit too much of something. Or he is scared take your pick. I am betting on the later.
                          Substance abuse, delusions, inexplicable personality shift, paranoia, or severe depression and despair are each viable grounds for institutionalization of Mr. Helmke, whichever one or more be the case. Who wants to pick up the phone and dial?
                          Last edited by yellowfin; 09-24-2009, 10:12 PM.
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                          • #14
                            an actual gun
                            Calguns Addict
                            • Jun 2007
                            • 5423

                            Apart from their views about gun violence prevention, the effort by Calguns suggests that they too realize that the public needs to know the facts about guns involved in shootings and other crimes in order to adequately debate gun policy.
                            I think everyone who is pro-2A has realized this since day one. Misinformation accounts for about 90% of bad gun laws. Whether it be "pistol grips designed to spray lead from the hip," to "cop killer bullets" to barrel shrouds, "the shoulder thing that goes up," even now with AB 962 and the mentality that "ammo is easier to buy than spray paint." We have a huge problem with misinformation when it comes to guns in this country, and though I can't speak for CGF and why they want this information, I want it because I want the public to know more about the guns that are killing cops instead of just assuming "semyamatic assault weapons" are doing the job.

                            Their side does not adequately debate gun control policy for this reason alone. If Helmke wasn't being incredibly disingenuous I might rather like this article.

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