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  • Legasat
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    • Mar 2009
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    Cass Sunstein to get Consent and Approval TODAY?

    According to Glenn Beck, Harry Reid is trying to get Cass Sunstein confirmed in the U. S. Senate TODAY (in a cloture vote). They are going to confirm Mr. Sunstein as Obama's Regulatory Czar. They are trying to get him Consent and Approval because of the furor surrounding Van Jones.

    Cass Sunstein is VEHEMANTLY anti-gun. Wants to outlaw hunting of every kind, and sees no reason why ANY citizen should own a gun. He is also an animal rights fanatic. I have read that he said in 1999 "I see no reason why your dog couldn't sue you". I love animals too, but there are practical limits.

    The regulatory Czar can't make law, but he will have a certain degree of control over the regulations of how things get done. For example, it is not illegal to purchase a handgun in NYC. But, try to get one. It is VERY difficult because of regulations. I would hate to see that happen nationwide.

    What this really means, I don't know yet. Whether or not it will really happen, I don't know yet, but I will continue my research.
    Last edited by Legasat; 09-09-2009, 10:22 AM.
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    wildhawker
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    Honestly, not sure this belongs in 2A. If every appointment with an anti-gun stance is posted on and discussed we'd break GeoVario. (Kidding, Ben :P)
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      yellowfin
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      • Nov 2007
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      The question is, of course, if this guy would have influence over the ATF. Which makes me wonder, at the moment, who is the head of the ATF and how bad along the spectrum of things they are.
      "You can't stop insane people from doing insane things with insane laws. That's insane!" -- Penn Jillette
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        Legasat
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        This isn't my website, so it's up to you whether or not to move it, but I think it belongs, since it will directly effect our 2A rights.

        I am on hold with the NRA-ILA to verify this story.
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          Hunt
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          • Sep 2009
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          Originally posted by wildhawker
          Honestly, not sure this belongs in 2A. If every appointment with an anti-gun stance is posted on and discussed we'd break GeoVario. (Kidding, Ben :P)
          ha you guys better wake up and quite arguing about little technicalities, while you are arguing Cass Sunstein will be tweeking regulations to make it illegal to hunt on public land and impossible to buy ammo affordably. You folks totally underestimate the power grab and radical nature of this Administration. They can't ban guns because of Heller but they sure can over- regulate ammo production and sales you better wake up.
          Last edited by Hunt; 09-09-2009, 11:04 AM.
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            Hunt
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            Originally posted by Legasat
            This isn't my website, so it's up to you whether or not to move it, but I think it belongs, since it will directly effect our 2A rights.

            I am on hold with the NRA-ILA to verify this story.
            Glen Beck just verified with NRA, yes vote today--this is NOT good certianly demonstrates how they operate.
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              hoffmang
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              The Sunstein appointment has been widely opposed by NRA and others. However, the case is not so open and shut when Glenn Reynolds and Eugene Volokh aren't so sure Cass is wildly anti-gun. Said a different way, Dr. Sunstein may be one of the most pro-gun "czars" appointed...

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                bwiese
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                Originally posted by hoffmang
                The Sunstein appointment has been widely opposed by NRA and others. However, the case is not so open and shut when Glenn Reynolds and Eugene Volokh aren't so sure Cass is wildly anti-gun. Said a different way, Dr. Sunstein may be one of the most pro-gun "czars" appointed...

                -Gene

                See article

                http://www.volokh.com/archives/archive_2009_09_06-2009_09_12.shtml#1252441367


                There's also little we can do on this.

                From a practical standpoint, we're in California and have our worries to fight about. Frankly, we're fairly well off overall on a Federal standpoint given Heller court balance.

                Rather than worry about Cass Sunstein, we need to be killing AB 962 right now.
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                  yellowfin
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                  Originally posted by hoffmang
                  The Sunstein appointment has been widely opposed by NRA and others. However, the case is not so open and shut when Glenn Reynolds and Eugene Volokh aren't so sure Cass is wildly anti-gun. Said a different way, Dr. Sunstein may be one of the most pro-gun "czars" appointed...

                  -Gene
                  Given the other appointments, that isn't saying much. That's like saying between liver cancer, spinal cancer, and pancreatic cancer, you'll live longest with the second one which may kill you in eight months instead of three to six. How about ZERO cancer? Let's not lose sight of that.
                  Last edited by yellowfin; 09-09-2009, 12:38 PM.
                  "You can't stop insane people from doing insane things with insane laws. That's insane!" -- Penn Jillette
                  Originally posted by indiandave
                  In Pennsylvania Your permit to carry concealed is called a License to carry fire arms. Other states call it a CCW. In New Jersey it's called a crime.
                  Discretionary Issue is the new Separate but Equal.

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                    IGOTDIRT4U
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                    Originally posted by bwiese
                    See article

                    http://www.volokh.com/archives/archive_2009_09_06-2009_09_12.shtml#1252441367


                    There's also little we can do on this.

                    From a practical standpoint, we're in California and have our worries to fight about. Frankly, we're fairly well off overall on a Federal standpoint given Heller court balance.

                    Rather than worry about Cass Sunstein, we need to be killing AB 962 right now.
                    Sheesh! Reading that, you get a 50/50 deal with him. The related articles don't make his stand any clearer. What I did take away from the article was that he is not rabidly anti-gun, but has no qualms about any laws restricting the right, to a degree not yet spoken details.
                    Last edited by IGOTDIRT4U; 09-09-2009, 12:03 PM.
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                      POLICESTATE
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                      This guy sounds like another ivy-league elitist, like we need anymore of them running things in this country. How about people who actually represent America, by which I mean people from our stock and not snobby New Englanders?
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                      • #12
                        Mike d'Ocla
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                        • Jun 2009
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                        Why not read for yourself what Sunstein himself says instead of what someone else thinks he says? Sunstein's op-ed from the Boston Globe seems pretty reasonable to me:

                        (Warning--good reading skills and rational thinking skills required.)

                        Last edited by Mike d'Ocla; 09-09-2009, 12:16 PM. Reason: Added a humorous note.

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                          Legasat
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                          The Volokh post seems to point to the fact that Sunstein agrees with the history and methodology under which the Court reached the decision.

                          Sunstein makes it clear that he considers Heller rightly decided; he is no originalist, but instead believes that the Court owed some deference to the moral commitments of tens of millions of Americans. Thus, Sunstein qualifies as among the most "pro-Second Amendment" of Obama administration nominees.
                          I think it is a stretch to believe that because Sunstein believes the Court reached the correct "legal" decision, that makes him Pro 2A. And being "the most" pro 2A member of the administration, could also mean he is "the least" anti-2A, and still be anti-2A.

                          Later on it is mentioned:
                          Update: A commenter has posted a video of a Sunstein lecture at U. Chicago in 2007 which presents a much more hostile attitude towards the individual right than is expressed in the Harvard article.
                          From everything I have read, this is much more in line with Sunstein's real attitude on the 2A.
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                          • #14
                            JarenC81
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                            The only thing that Cass makes clear in that article is that he's trying to use the Heller decision to make an argument for the "living document." Basically using a clear conservative victory as proof of a generally accepted liberal idea.

                            I'm no historian by any stretch but weren't there less regulations and restrictions on firearms 40-50 years ago? Isn't the climate changing to that of being more restrictive? Where is the "change in the public climate" that he is referring to? Most likely I lack the "good reading skills and rational thinking skills required" to understand what he's saying.
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                              Can'thavenuthingood
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                              I suspect he or they will use the regulatory agencies to make law.

                              Those laws that don't get Legislated into existence will most likely be back doored into being.

                              The Health Care plan could make guns a Health & Safety issue. Condors are dying in Az & Ca so that could be stretched to a Fed ban/fight on lead.

                              They are here to control not help.

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