Moving To California-Laws

[Glock22Fan]

I'm going to talk to a lawyer tomorrow, and see if I can find anything out there, I'll let you guys know. Otherwise I'll probably have one mag modified for cali and the other taken apart but for use in other states. I was considering getting rid of the gun and getting something else, but I gave in and shot it today ....and I'm for sure going to at least keep it.

If you are picking a lawyer at random (especially out of state), the chances of getting one who knows as much Californian gun law as the advice given in this thread is, frankly, remote. However, there are lawyers associated with this forum who do know what they are talking about. Be careful.

[Librarian]

You should offer the lawyer you see the source material:

SB 23

and

PC 12020

12020 (a)(2) Commencing January 1, 2000, manufactures or causes
to be manufactured, imports into the state, keeps for sale, or
offers or exposes for sale, or who gives, or lends, any large-
capacity magazine.

12020 (c)(25) As used in this section, "large-capacity
magazine" means any ammunition feeding device with the capacity
to accept more than 10 rounds, but shall not be construed to
include any of the following:
(A) A feeding device that has been permanently altered so
that itcannot accommodate more than 10 rounds.
(B) A .22 caliber tube ammunition feeding device.
(C) A tubular magazine that is contained in a lever-action
firearm.

[hayasa]

hayasa, welcome to Calguns.

I'd suggest looking over the various flowcharts that CG'ers have put together to help with understanding the laws. Links to them are at the top of every forum page. I'd start with the rifle AW chart, http://www.calguns.net/caawid/flowchart.pdf .

Regarding your DSA, as long as it is not a listed brand/model in the AW laws, and is an otherwise legal configuration, it is legal in CA. In your case, you could either go with a 10-round fixed-mag build and be legal. Or, go with a "featureless" build and modify/remove the pistol grip and any other "evil" features and keep the original magazine releaese.

In any case, you couldn't bring in any 11+ round magazines unless you had possessed them in CA sometime before 2000. YOu can disassemble the mags into parts kits and bring them with you, but can't ever assemble them while in CA.

Thanks for the link. I went over to FindLaw to look all those up. I think I am more confused than ever. Guess I'll have to sell the beloved SA-58... Is there any similar flowchart for handguns?

[ke6guj]

Thanks for the link. I went over to FindLaw to look all those up. I think I am more confused than ever. Guess I'll have to sell the beloved SA-58...

no need to sell the SA-58. Did you run it through the flowchart? If so, you should have been able to answer NO to all the questions until you got to the "detachable magazine" question. At that point, you would have said YES, which would then run you through the "evil features" question. A second YES answer would make in an illegal AW. So, if you did have the detachable magazine, you would need to set up the SA-58 up in a featureless config by removing any flash hider, and modifying the pistol grip.

Or, if you wanted to keep the evil features, set up the SA-58 with a fixed-mag-release, and you bypass the evil features question. If you have a fixed-mag, then you have to comply with the 10-rounds or less magazine question. DSarms sells their CA-legal rifles in this configuration. http://www.dsarms.com/SA58-Californi...s/products/39/

So, you just have to decide what is more important to you, evil features with a fixed mag, or featureless with detachable mags.

In any case, you can't bring in and use your large-capacity magazines.

Is there any similar flowchart for handguns?

yes there is. http://www.calguns.net/caawid/hgflowchart.pdf and one for shotguns as well, http://www.calguns.net/caawid/sgflowchart.pdf

[curtisfong]

http://www.calguns.net/caawid/hgflowchart.pdf and one for shotguns as well, http://www.calguns.net/caawid/sgflowchart.pdf

Stupid question, is there one for rim-fire?

[ke6guj]

No, I haven't made one for rimfire rifles. Rimfire handguns are covered under the handgun legaliity chart.

[Rekrab]

Question, if someone is an out of state student, temporarily living in California but owning property, is he legally compelled to register any California legal firearms he owns?

Not me by the way, I'm a full citizen unfortunately >.<

[curtisfong]

No, I haven't made one for rimfire rifles.

Can you (or anybody else) summarize which parts of the rifle flowchart ONLY pertain to centerfire? I still cant' make head or tail of it all

[ke6guj]

rimfire rifle rules are pretty simple. Basically, as long as it is over 26" long in its shortest fireable configuration, with at least a 16" barrel, its legal.

All the parts of the rifle AW flowchart pertain to centerfire rifles.

[curtisfong]

So the only CA specific addon would be the regular "manufacture/transfer" >10-rd mag etc?

Thanks!

[ke6guj]

If I understand you correctly, yes, you basically only have to make sure you don't violate the large-capacity magazine laws pertaining to manufacture, sale, importation, etc.

You can use a large-capacity magaine in any rimfire rifle.

[Librarian]

Question, if someone is an out of state student, temporarily living in California but owning property, is he legally compelled to register any California legal firearms he owns?

Not me by the way, I'm a full citizen unfortunately >.<

Unless moving here permanently, there is no requirement to register any gun. However, any handgun will be registered if it passes through DROS, and any legal 'assault weapon' is already registered, and no more can be registered unless the rifle is a new-acquisition by LEO.