Two Teens Killed In Home Invasion

[tango-52]

Any bets on whether the perps were Katrina "refugees"?

[TaxAnnihilator]

The liability is one thing, the cost of filing the msj is another. Does the law provide fees and costs to the winner? Code section?

[battleship]

Got them while they are young, now they cannot grow up to be pro criminals.

To some this might seem to extreme an action to take, but i would say that if i had a crystal ball there criminality would progress to worse things. Events could of turned out far worse for the home owners if they had not been armed.

And i agree, who in there right mind even with a low IQ would consider braking in to any house in Texas, seems completely reckless even suicidal to do so.

[Gh0sT]

Here is the crazy part:

- 4 Male Teen/Adults (I consider being 16 a adult - they know what sex drugs and rock and roll is all about)
- All 4 males were armed in a certain fashion
*3 by CO2 Air guns that look realistic to real weapons (True because I own a few .177 of my own
*1 by a pistol, unknown


There are 4 gents with arms, "appearing to" rob a house. If it was one person, I might feel a little more sorry. But 4 people, that is a small wannabe gang that is causing some trouble. It is kind of hard to feel remorse, but 4 young gentlemen attempt to rob, that isn't just some robbery, that is a little assault team with assurance in numbers.

[forgiven]

RIP to the victims and prayers for their families.

[bernieb90]

"Never bring a gun unless you are willing to use it" applies to both good guys, and bad guys. When a criminal uses a gun in the commision of a crime it is pretty safe to assume that they are willing to use that gun. When a criminal enters an occupied home with a firearm it is perfectly clear what their intentions are. When they bring 3 of their buddies with guns as well (the nature of the gun is irrelevant) then we can be pretty sure that the homeowner, and their families are in for a very bad night. If the detals of the shooting are correct then this guy prevented the possible rape, or murder of his family members.

Whether he feels bad about it, and to what degree depends greatly on how much support he has from his family, friends, and community. Judging by the fact that this is Texas his family, and friends are treating him like a hero (as he is one), and he is getting plenty of invites to BBQs from his neighbors.

[johnthomas]

RIP to the victims and prayers for their families.

What? The victims, (people that lived in the house) lived and their families aren't grieving.

[tankerman]

Good thing it wasn't here in CA, everyone in the home would have been hauled off for jail while the media bellyaches over the untimely deaths of these poor youths...

you forgot a couple of things...the 'civil rights' groups that would be protesting and expressing their grief over the loss of such good young men and calling the shooter a racist. Then the lawsuits that would follow, suing the sh-t out of the homeowner that was defending himself.

[tankerman]

Even among soldiers returning fire in firefights, the only ones who sleep well at night after knowingly killing another person are sociopaths or nearly so.

Are you speaking from experience? What exactly are you getting at?

[Maestro Pistolero]

Here is the crazy part:

- 4 Male Teen/Adults (I consider being 16 a adult - they know what sex drugs and rock and roll is all about)
- All 4 males were armed in a certain fashion
*3 by CO2 Air guns that look realistic to real weapons (True because I own a few .177 of my own
*1 by a pistol, unknown


There are 4 gents with arms, "appearing to" rob a house. If it was one person, I might feel a little more sorry. But 4 people, that is a small wannabe gang that is causing some trouble. It is kind of hard to feel remorse, but 4 young gentlemen attempt to rob, that isn't just some robbery, that is a little assault team with assurance in numbers.

FWIW, I believe three of the four intruders were armed.

[JDoe]

The victims in this case will be the innocent person (or people) having bad dreams for ages because they were put into the position of having to defend themselves.

I don't get this sometimes. If I just shot someone who was trying to rob, rape or kill me, I'd like to think I'd shrug my shoulders, consider my self better off and head for bed.

hill billy, you can't be blamed for thinking that way if you haven't had the experience or learned from others. The mind is a funny thing that doesn't always work like we think it should.

Glock22Fan is referring to Post Traumatic Stress Disorder (PTSD). Anyone can get it. Sometimes it shows up pretty quickly, sometimes it might not show up for decades. Sometimes it goes away quickly and other times it can last for decades and be the most debilitating living hell on earth one can imagine.

Fortunately there is a greater understanding of how to treat PTSD today than ever before. With the assistance of the right people I believe most people who suffer with PTSD can find reasonable or even complete relief.

[CALPsidewinder]

I do believe that you're talking out of your a**. (Apologies to Shawshank Redemption)

Even among soldiers returning fire in firefights, the only ones who sleep well at night after knowingly killing another person are sociopaths or nearly so.

In fact, this attribute may just be why the genes for sociopathy persist. When you need someone to do some killing, they're good at it and they don't lose sleep.

I don't think it has anything to do with sociopathy. The fact that a thug comes armed and breaks into a person's home shows a complete disregard for the "rights'' of another human, and therefore precludes them from being treated as a sane rational peer with the same rights. The actions of the thug makes him sub-human, and to care even one wit about taking his life shows little regard for one's own life or the lives of the people you would potentially be protecting (ie. family, friends, etc). It is not sociopathy to be emotionless in ending the life of a person/s who holds no value on life. One can wish that the situation were otherwise, that all men cared enough about their own lives to extend that benevolence towards others. But when we are confronted by a violent act, the last thing to do is to care about the attacker, as they have not earned that regard during or after. It is this irrational emotional regard for the criminal element that has ruined our penal system and allowed, child molesters, rapists and murderers back on the streets to do more harm.

Oh and I do speak from experience, and in no way do I profess or promote the idea that others are somehow the scapegoats to my inequities or troubles, and therefore cannot be defined as a sociopath.

[Seesm]

Gotta get the rotten apples out of the basket or it will spoild the whole lot.

Good on ya "homeowner" Bad on ya 16 yr old kids...

You live in Texas.... "Dont mess with Texas"

[M. Sage]

The liability is one thing, the cost of filing the msj is another. Does the law provide fees and costs to the winner? Code section?

I don't think it has anything to do with sociopathy. The fact that a thug comes armed and breaks into a person's home shows a complete disregard for the "rights'' of another human, and therefore precludes them from being treated as a sane rational peer with the same rights. The actions of the thug makes him sub-human, and to care even one wit about taking his life shows little regard for one's own life or the lives of the people you would potentially be protecting (ie. family, friends, etc). It is not sociopathy to be emotionless in ending the life of a person/s who holds no value on life. One can wish that the situation were otherwise, that all men cared enough about their own lives to extend that benevolence towards others. But when we are confronted by a violent act, the last thing to do is to care about the attacker, as they have not earned that regard during or after. It is this irrational emotional regard for the criminal element that has ruined our penal system and allowed, child molesters, rapists and murderers back on the streets to do more harm.

Oh and I do speak from experience, and in no way do I profess or promote the idea that others are somehow the scapegoats to my inequities or troubles, and therefore cannot be defined as a sociopath.

I agree with all that. As soon as they cross a certain line, I can't consider a violent criminal to be "alive" anymore. I think that they're dead and just haven't realized it yet. I also consider anybody who's willing to kick in a door at 2 AM for nefarious purposes to be sub-human. Sure, all this is probably just rationalization in case I ever am put in a life or death situation where someone has kicked my door in, but I'm Ok with that.

I know people who've killed other people, and most of 'em sleep just fine at night by simply knowing that what they did was moral and right.

[Shotgun Man]

Both the surviving uninjured teen and the wounded teen may well be charged with felony murder, given they participated in a crime where someone died (it's irrelevant if the dead were victims or perps).

They might get the Big Needle. Fair enough.

SCOTUS has ruled that the death penalty for someone who was under 18 at the time of his crime is cruel and unusual punishment under the 8A.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Roper_v._Simmons