CALNRA/CRPA: CALIFORNIA LEGISLATIVE ALERT --- ACTION REQUESTED NOW!!

[obeygiant]

I know the local chapters are in the works for CGN but can we call in and have them put it on record that Calguns.net with it's membership of 30k+ is in opposition to this bill?

[8-Ball]

Nice... I've just been contacting the governor and legislature via email when I get a notice from our local NRA chapter president...

This looks easier... just updated my listing

I was already in the system but listed as living in "The Yukon Territory"

weird...

[obeygiant]

For anyone that did not see the AB962 letter thread it can be found here

[H Paul Payne]

I know the local chapters are in the works for CGN but can we call in and have them put it on record that Calguns.net with it's membership of 30k+ is in opposition to this bill?

Local chapters, 30k+, etc. have little or no effect on the legislators. If it were that easy, the NRA's 300,000 to 400,000 members within California and all of our chapters (aka Members' Councils) would be a factor that would guarantee our victory.

But it doesn't work that way. In fact, that approach works no better than pre-printed form letters and/or petitions.

Very simply stated, what sways the legislators far more than any of that stuff listed above is the INDIVIDUAL calling, writing, emailing, faxing, etc. in his own words. And the more it occurs -- the more impact it has on them.

Paul

[obeygiant]

Local chapters, 30k+, etc. have little or no effect on the legislators. If it were that easy, the NRA's 300,000 to 400,000 members within California and all of our chapters (aka Members' Councils) would be a factor that would guarantee our victory.

But it doesn't work that way. In fact, that approach works no better than pre-printed form letters and/or petitions.

Very simply stated, what sways the legislators far more than any of that stuff listed above is the INDIVIDUAL calling, writing, emailing, faxing, etc. in his own words. And the more it occurs -- the more impact it has on them.

Paul

Good to know, thank you for the response.

[obeygiant]

The email address for Senator Gil Cedillo is no longer valid but anyone who would like to contact him via email may do so here just remember to put in a zip code that is within his district or it will not accept the email. the one I used was the zip for his local office which is 90014

[6172crew]

The email address for Senator Gil Cedillo is no longer valid but anyone who would like to contact him via email may do so here just remember to put in a zip code that is within his district or it will not accept the email. the one I used was the zip for his local office which is 90014

Thanks for the heads up!

[obeygiant]

from the other AB962 thread as well.

comma separated list of emails:

Senator.Yee@SENATE.CA.GOV,Senator.Wyland@SENATE.CA.GOV,Senator.Wright@SENATE.CA.GOV,Senator.Wolk@SENATE.CA.GOV,Senator.Wiggins@SENATE.CA.GOV,Senator.Walters@SENATE.CA.GOV,Senator.Strickland@SENATE.CA.GOV,Senator.Steinberg@SENATE.CA.GOV,Senator.Simitian@SENATE.CA.GOV,Senator.Runner@SENATE.CA.GOV,Senator.Romero@SENATE.CA.GOV,Senator.Price@SENATE.CA.GOV,Senator.Pavley@SENATE.CA.GOV,Senator.Padilla@SENATE.CA.GOV,Senator.Oropeza@SENATE.CA.GOV,Senator.McLeod@SENATE.CA.GOV,Senator.Maldonado@SENATE.CA.GOV,Senator.Lowenthal@SENATE.CA.GOV,Senator.Liu@SENATE.CA.GOV,Senator.Leno@SENATE.CA.GOV,Senator.Kehoe@SENATE.CA.GOV,Senator.Huff@SENATE.CA.GOV,Senator.Hollingsworth@SENATE.CA.GOV,Senator.Harman@SENATE.CA.GOV,Senator.Hancock@SENATE.CA.GOV,Senator.Florez@SENATE.CA.GOV,Senator.Dutton@SENATE.CA.GOV,Senator.Ducheny@SENATE.CA.GOV,Senator.DeSaulnier@SENATE.CA.GOV,Senator.Denham@SENATE.CA.GOV,Senator.Cox@SENATE.CA.GOV,Senator.Correa@SENATE.CA.GOV,Senator.Corbett@SENATE.CA.GOV,Senator.Cogdill@SENATE.CA.GOV,Senator.Calderon@SENATE.CA.GOV,Senator.Benoit@SENATE.CA.GOV,Senator.Ashburn@SENATE.CA.GOV,Senator.Alquist@SENATE.CA.GOV,Senator.Aanestad@SENATE.CA.GOV

The email address for Senator Gil Cedillo is no longer valid but anyone who would like to contact him via email may do so here just remember to put in a zip code that is within his district or it will not accept the email. the one I used was the zip for his local office which is 90014

Primary Email,Work Phone,Fax Number

Senator.Yee@SENATE.CA.GOV,(916) 651-4008,(916) 327-2186
Senator.Wyland@SENATE.CA.GOV,(916) 651-4038,(916) 446-7382
Senator.Wright@SENATE.CA.GOV,(916) 651-4025,(916) 445-3712
Senator.Wolk@SENATE.CA.GOV,(916) 651-4005,(916) 323-2304
Senator.Wiggins@SENATE.CA.GOV,(916) 651-4002,(916) 323-6958
Senator.Walters@SENATE.CA.GOV,(916) 651-4033,(916) 445-9754
Senator.Strickland@SENATE.CA.GOV,(916) 651-4019,(916) 324-7544
Senator.Steinberg@SENATE.CA.GOV,(916) 651-4006,(916) 323-2263
Senator.Simitian@SENATE.CA.GOV,(916) 651-4011,(916) 323-4529
Senator.Runner@SENATE.CA.GOV,(916) 651-4017,(916) 445-4662
Senator.Romero@SENATE.CA.GOV,(916) 651-4024,(916) 445-0485
Senator.Price@SENATE.CA.GOV,(916) 651-4026,916) 445-8899
Senator.Pavley@SENATE.CA.GOV,(916) 651-4023,(916) 324-4823
Senator.Padilla@SENATE.CA.GOV,(916)-651-4020,(916)-324-6645
Senator.Oropeza@SENATE.CA.GOV,(916) 651-4028,(916) 323-6056
Senator.McLeod@SENATE.CA.GOV,(916) 651-4032,(916) 445-0128
Senator.Maldonado@SENATE.CA.GOV,(916) 651-4015,(916) 445-8081
Senator.Lowenthal@SENATE.CA.GOV,(916) 651-4027,(916) 327-9113
Senator.Liu@SENATE.CA.GOV,(916) 651-4021,(916) 324-7543
Senator.Leno@SENATE.CA.GOV,(916) 651-4003,(916) 445-4722
Senator.Kehoe@SENATE.CA.GOV,(916) 651-4039,(916) 327-2188
Senator.Huff@SENATE.CA.GOV,(916) 651-4029,(916) 324-0922
Senator.Hollingsworth@SENATE.CA.GOV,(916) 651-4036,(916) 447-9008
Senator.Harman@SENATE.CA.GOV,(916) 651-4035,(916) 445-9263
Senator.Hancock@SENATE.CA.GOV,(916) 651-4009,(916) 327-1997
Senator.Florez@SENATE.CA.GOV,(916) 651-4016,(916) 327-5989
Senator.Dutton@SENATE.CA.GOV,(916) 651-4031,(916) 327-2272
Senator.Ducheny@SENATE.CA.GOV,(916) 651-4040,(916) 327-3522
Senator.DeSaulnier@SENATE.CA.GOV,(916) 651-4007,(916) 445-2527
Senator.Denham@SENATE.CA.GOV,(916) 651-4012,(916) 445-0773
Senator.Cox@SENATE.CA.GOV,(916) 651-4001,(916) 324-2680
Senator.Correa@SENATE.CA.GOV,(916) 651-4034,(916) 323-2323
Senator.Corbett@SENATE.CA.GOV,(916) 651-4010,(916) 327-2433
Senator.Cogdill@SENATE.CA.GOV,(916) 651-4014,(916) 327-3523
Senator.Cedillo@SENATE.CA.GOV,(916) 651-4022,(916) 327-8817
Senator.Calderon@SENATE.CA.GOV,(916) 651-4030,(916) 327-8755
Senator.Benoit@SENATE.CA.GOV,(916) 651-4037,(916) 327-2187
Senator.Ashburn@SENATE.CA.GOV,(916) 651-4018,(916) 322-3304
Senator.Alquist@SENATE.CA.GOV,(916) 651-4013,(916) 324-0283
Senator.Aanestad@SENATE.CA.GOV,(916) 651-4004,(916) 445-7750

[H Paul Payne]

From ED WORLEY in the State Capitol: The State Assembly has adjourned for labor day with no action on SB585 Gun Show Ban today they will return on Tuesday.

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Please focus your calls against AB962 (in the Senate) today.

Paul

[Corky43]

Thanks for the list OBEYGIANT!

One of the member of our club drafted this response and I thought it had some good points, I never thought about.



AB962 is a red herring. It accomplishes nothing but Our Government exerting more useless control over its people. It will do nothing to fight crime.


In fact, if AB962 passes, it will severely impact firearms safety training programs and volunteer instructors that teach, among other things:

• Refuse To Be A Victim Program
• The Women on Target Program
• ROTC Programs
• Hunter Education Programs
• Olympic Programs

It would also impact college competitions and small bore rifle youth programs such as

• Boy Scouts
• Girl Scouts
• 4-H

These programs would be prohibited from “transferring“ practice ammunition to the students and team members for training and from ordering special competition grade ammunition from mail or Internet sources.

Let’s enforce the extraordinary number of laws we already have.

Let’s spend the state’s limited budget on things that make a difference.

[sorensen440]

Thanks for the list OBEYGIANT!

One of the member of our club drafted this response and I thought it had some good points, I never thought about.



AB962 is a red herring. It accomplishes nothing but Our Government exerting more useless control over its people. It will do nothing to fight crime.


In fact, if AB962 passes, it will severely impact firearms safety training programs and volunteer instructors that teach, among other things:

• Refuse To Be A Victim Program
• The Women on Target Program
• ROTC Programs
• Hunter Education Programs
• Olympic Programs

It would also impact college competitions and small bore rifle youth programs such as

• Boy Scouts
• Girl Scouts
• 4-H

Very good points !

[Nodda Duma]

Ok just made my first call to a rep's office (in the past I just sent email). Was kind of nervous, but I was pleasantly surprised by the conversation.

I call Roy Ashburn's office and politely stated where I was from and why I was calling. The guy who answered already guessed why I was calling. He agreed that "yeah AB 962 is a bunch of crap". We talked about how of course the criminal's are going to limit their purchases to 50 rounds per month if this thing passed. Had a nice chat with the guy. He said if only they would trust us with our guns. It was like carrying on a conversation with a fellow CalGunner. Very friendly.

-Jason

also sent this out via email to the Senator list above. Note I didn't need to mention anything about ammunition.

I am emailing you to voice my opposition to AB962, and I urge you to do the same. AB 962 would create a huge bureaucracy at a time when California can simply not afford to do so. It would not impact criminals and thugs who do not follow the law anyways, and would only serve to hinder the ability of law abiding citizens to protect themselves and their families. AB 962 would also further reduce the liberties of Americans living in California.

In addition, this type of law may very well become unconstitutional in near future. It is a certainty that a lawsuit would then be filed to strike down this type of law. The resulting legal fees would cost California taxpayers millions in tax dollars. In the end, the result would have been the same as if you were to vote NO, except that YOU would have saved California millions of dollars in legal fees, and would have the thanks of your California constituents.

It would be much more efficient and cost-effective to reinforce the laws that are currently on the books.

Please vote NO against this nonsense law. Please vote NO against AB 962.

Thanks you,
Your fellow Californian

[madmike]

My email requests a return receipt, and it's amazing how many of these are "deleted without being read". Politicians suck.

-madmike.

[7x57]

T
It would also impact college competitions and small bore rifle youth programs such as

• Boy Scouts
• Girl Scouts
• 4-H

Unless they get a special exemption that won't apply to most of us.

I believe I've found the most effective place to inquire about BSA selling us out for "peace in our time":

John Van Dreese
Associate Regional Director / Program
Western Region, BSA
Ph: 480/752-7015

Now I'm not the most politically astute person, but here are my guesses about how to go about this:

I would suggest not accusing anyone of anything, just inquire about the rumor and express your displeasure if it were true. The best outcome is that the idea dies as quietly as it started with nothing ever admitted, and we want them to have that easy way out without direct confrontation. They're not our enemy, just a minor player that seems to have been tempted with temporary safety if they'll only switch sides.

If you have a connection with the scouts--are/were a scout, and especially if you volunteer your time and money for them, that's especially good because you're someone they depend on.

I could be wrong, but I doubt BSA is used to getting a bunch of calls about such things as a politician would be. With luck, that means phone calls will have a much bigger effect than on someone who expects to get a certain amount of flack. Besides, fooling around with secret deals suggests vulnerability to pressure. So apply pressure....

7x57

[H Paul Payne]

Although both the Assembly and Senate have "adjourned" until Tuesday, AB962 and SB585 could be amended -- thereby making it harder for us to kill these bills.

This has just come out of the Capitol:
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September 4, 2009


TO: ALL SENATE AND ASSEMBLY OFFICES

FROM: GREG SCHMIDT
SECRETARY OF THE SENATE

RE: AMENDMENT DEADLINE


Due to issues with theLegislativeDataCenter, the deadline to put amendments over the Senate Desk is now 5:00 P.M. FIRM. NO AMENDMENTS WILL BE ACCEPTED AFTER 5:00 P.M. TODAY.

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If someone cuts a deal for a last-minute amendment, it will make things really tough for us next week!

This kind of reminds me of our efforts to defeat the "handgun ban" several years ago. AB15, AB1500, we were winning. Then when SB15 was pushed by Senator Polanco, a "gun group" and a "manufacturer" received amendments that exempted THEIR guns and dropped THEIR opposition to SB15. Guess what?!? SB15 passed the THEY weren't affected --- BUT THE REST OF US WERE! AND STILL ARE!!!

Paul