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  • JasonDavis
    Junior Member
    • Jun 2008
    • 94

    Assembling is Manufacturing

    For those of you interested, on August 14, 2009, a court in the Western District of Virginia, in the matter of Broughman v. Carver, held that assembling a firearm is manufacturing, despite the fact that the ATF repealed such a definition back in 1991. Thus, the court opines, those persons putting firearms together for sale must have a manufacturer's license. I have attached the opinion to this post. See footnote 7 of the opinion for a discussion on that point.
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    Dr Rockso
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    • Jan 2008
    • 3701

    Originally posted by JasonDavis
    Thus, the court opines, those persons putting firearms together for sale must have a manufacturer's license.
    I was under the impression that this was already the case.

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    • #3
      grammaton76
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      • Dec 2005
      • 9511

      Crap. I sure hope this gets straightened out soon. Is this federally binding, or only on Virginians at present?
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      • #4
        hoffmang
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        • Apr 2006
        • 18448

        This is a major issue for non 07 FFLs. For us private folks, we can assemble if if its considered manufacture as long as we aren't reselling.

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          grammaton76
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          • Dec 2005
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          Originally posted by hoffmang
          This is a major issue for non 07 FFLs. For us private folks, we can assemble if if its considered manufacture as long as we aren't reselling.
          Ah, cool. However, this DOES mean that the private folks selling a rifle they built off of a stripped lower need to watch out, yes?

          BTW, I would find it very amusing if this gave non-FFL's a fast track to 07 FFL status on the basis that they need to get compliant...
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          • #6
            thedrickel
            Calguns Addict
            • Apr 2006
            • 5553

            I read thru the decision quickly and I don't see the big deal. The guy is an 01, builds bolt action rifles out of receivers that he buys . . . pretty clearly manufacturing as previously defined by the ATF. It's the same as a dealer buying AK or AR receivers and building them into complete rifles . . . definitely manufacturing. It's not like the guy was doing these activities w/o a license, he just didn't believe that he needed a manufacturing license to build up 100% receivers into rifles.

            Originally posted by grammaton76
            Ah, cool. However, this DOES mean that the private folks selling a rifle they built off of a stripped lower need to watch out, yes?
            Only if done w/ the sole intent of commercial gain, IMO.
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              grammaton76
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              • Dec 2005
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              Originally posted by thedrickel
              Only if done w/ the sole intent of commercial gain, IMO.
              *grin* Sounds like only half the guys in the Marketplace, then... the other half can breathe a sigh of relief!
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                snobord99
                Senior Member
                • May 2009
                • 2318

                Originally posted by grammaton76
                Crap. I sure hope this gets straightened out soon. Is this federally binding, or only on Virginians at present?
                District Court holdings aren't binding on anyone. At most, it's persuasive.
                Everyone opposes judicial legislation until the judiciary legislates in their favor.

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                • #9
                  JasonDavis
                  Junior Member
                  • Jun 2008
                  • 94

                  The issue is the ATF repealed that definition after losing a case in the 90s. Yet they still held to their position despite the ruling. It's a case of "if you ignore the court long enough one Court will side with you and make it all ok." That's why I emphasized footnote seven.
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                  • #10
                    artherd
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                    • Oct 2005
                    • 5038

                    The idea that starting with a Firearm and ending up with a Firearm constitutes Manufacturing of a new firearm - strains credulity.

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                    • #11
                      Josh3239
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                      • Dec 2006
                      • 9189

                      Why does it matter to us what the court of Virginia decides?

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                      • #12
                        Merc1138
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                        • Feb 2009
                        • 19742

                        Because we don't want people to get funny ideas using the court of Virginia as an example.

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                        • #13
                          CalNRA
                          Calguns Addict
                          • Apr 2006
                          • 8686

                          Originally posted by Merc1138
                          Because we don't want people to get funny ideas using the court of Virginia as an example.
                          in grand scheme of things, considering Virginia's CCW policy and allowing items like suppressors, that might not be a bad road to go down...
                          Originally posted by cvigue
                          This is not rocket surgery.

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                          • #14
                            Merc1138
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                            • Feb 2009
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                            I'm pretty sure anti's aren't going to allow us to have suppressors if they decide to try and get laws changed regarding manufacturing. I said "funny ideas" not "sound ideas".

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                            • #15
                              bridgeport
                              Senior Member
                              • Jan 2006
                              • 782

                              The idea that starting with a Firearm and ending up with a Firearm constitutes Manufacturing of a new firearm - strains credulity.

                              Do I need a DOT license to lower my Toyota now?

                              This is why unlawful regs need to be fought and defeated aggressively, and their illegal enforcement challenged.
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                              Unfortunately, the law appears to mean whatever some judge says it means. The receiver is a firearm, and it is not. Ever get the feeling we are
                              living like alice in wonderland.

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