OLL's and the confused LEO

[royta]

Let's say I'm shooting my OLL, which is built in compliance to SB23, in the desert and a LE comes on by. He sees that I have, what appears to be, an assault weapon. He pulls out his trusty November 2001 3rd Edition Assault Weapons Identification Guide, and looks at the pictures on pages 64 through 67. He says, "Sure enough, this here rifle is one of them thar assault weapons". At the top of page 63 he quotes the following, "AR-15 Series markings include, but are not limited to, the following:", and emphasises the words, "but are not limited to".

What paper work can I keep with me, preferrably a court case or letter from the AG, that I can show a confused LEO? I'd like to show him that it is in fact limited to the list on page 63 (not including Cat 1 or non-AR Cat 2).

The whole idea here, is to avoid confiscation and/or arrest. I would like to show the LEO that I'm obeying the law, and convince him to let me be on my way. I imagine there a few LEO out there who will just confiscate and/or arrest, and then let the courts decide the outcome.

[naimad]

I was wondering the same thing some kind of paper work we could carry with us while out shooting that explains the oll for those l.e. who dont know the laws anything would help

[tenpercentfirearms]

Ah newbies. Search for OLL Papers and here is what you get. However, that is why you are new and soon, we will make you old timers.

http://www.calguns.net/calgunforum/showthread.php?t=39140&highlight=oll+papers

[royta]

Ah newbies. Search for OLL Papers and here is what you get. However, that is why you are new and soon, we will make you old timers.

http://www.calguns.net/calgunforum/s...ght=oll+papers

Thanks. I'm guessing it's probably a good idea to avoid specific counties when you are shooting out in the great wide open. Despite Lancaster being a nice open area, it is a part of LA County. I'd hate to have a badge heavy LEO give me crap, and then I'd have to defend myself in front of the LA county DA.

[FreedomIsNotFree]

If you think carrying "papers" around is going to change the mind of the ill-informed police officer bent on confiscating your rifle you are mistaken I believe.

What would make them think twice is you letting them know that if they ilegally sieze your rifle and/or arrest you you will be suing their City, Police Department and them personally in a civil lawsuit. Advise them that they had better speak to their Supervisor and get a proper understanding before they proceed.

Ignorance of the law is no excuse....even for the Police.

[Japedo]

If you are already in Lancaster, just drive 20 more minutes north, a little past Rosemond and you are in Kern County, where you can shoot in the open.

[royta]

If you are already in Lancaster, just drive 20 more minutes north, a little past Rosemond and you are in Kern County, where you can shoot in the open.

I have a friend in Lancaster. I'll tell him I'll bring up my OLL, but only if we head to Kern County to shoot it.

[Japedo]

I have a friend in Lancaster. I'll tell him I'll bring up my OLL, but only if we head to Kern County to shoot it.

Just take your time finding a spot, don't quote me on this but I think the Kern County law says you have to be 150 yards from a residence, please feel free to correct me, but I thik that is what it is. I have a buddy who is in the LAPD, we have a spot we always go out to, we have never been bothered once, but I can say it is much more comforting going with a LEO, just in case an officer did pull up

[Santa Cruz Armory]

[Sailormilan2]

You actually have to go past Rosamond to legally shoot. Everything, in or near Rosamond is closed. From the County line, up to Mojave.
You are better off going up to Lone Tree Canyon(about 15 mi north of Mojave), Jawbone Canyon, or Dove Springs area.
If you know where you are going, there is an old abandoned gravel pit just east of the Mojave airport that I often go to. Down inside you are out if sight and out of mind. Though you do need to watch your backstop as they built the new freeway just east of it. I don't know if they moved the eastern boundries of Mojave's not shooting zone when they put the freeway in.

[Uberdummy]

I refuse to carry "Papers." If worse came to worse, I couldn't afford the fight, but I would do it anyway.

[Matt C]

I don't honestly think the threat of a lawsuit is going to help. Everybody says "I'm gonna sue" esp. the really guilty ones. I reccomend most people call the lawyer right then and there, and ask for advice (I have Chuck Mitchel's firm on speed dial).

Personally, (this one takes some balls) I would tell the officer that is ignorance of the law is no excuse; I am doing nothing illegal and if he tries to arrest me for something that is not a crime, or take my property, I will personally arrest HIM and drag his sorry but to the nearest CHP station.

Oh, and I don't carry "papers". This is still America.

[hoffmang]

Many more LEO are becoming aware that not all "looks like and AR or AK" are ARs or AKs. The real document that matters is Harrot v. County of Kings which you can find online.

-Gene

[Yankee Clipper]

Even if it is 150 yards, if the resident doesn't know your going to be shooting nearby, the noise from your OLL may alarm the resident. Be noise sensitive to the local environment, always know what's behind your back-stop, and don't fire in the direction of any buildings or areas where people may be working, gathering or residing. In short, as firearm users, we must practice safety first and, always, good PR.

Just take your time finding a spot, don't quote me on this but I think the Kern County law says you have to be 150 yards from a residence, please feel free to correct me, but I thik that is what it is. I have a buddy who is in the LAPD, we have a spot we always go out to, we have never been bothered once, but I can say it is much more comforting going with a LEO, just in case an officer did pull up