2024 SB 53 Portantino - requires storage in 'approved firearms safety device'

[boltstop]

It seems that this passage "a safe that met the standards for gun safes adopted pursuant to Section 23650 at the time the individual purchased the safe" allows compliance simply by using a gun safe that someone already has.

[Librarian]

It seems that this passage "a safe that met the standards for gun safes adopted pursuant to Section 23650 at the time the individual purchased the safe" allows compliance simply by using a gun safe that someone already has.

Right.

That language was not in earlier versions of the bill, so while this is still silly, it is not quite so insane as once it was - where a solid TL30 safe didn't qualify!

[sbo80]

Also good that they moved the misdemeanor part to a third violation, along with removing the prohibition part. Sounds like they re-did the parts that were the most likely to invite an obvious loss in court. The whole thing is dumb - but, if you have so much law enforcement interaction that you're now on your third time getting popped for the same thing, you probably should reconsider many of your life choices wholistically.

[OlderThanDirt]

Also good that they moved the misdemeanor part to a third violation, along with removing the prohibition part. Sounds like they re-did the parts that were the most likely to invite an obvious loss in court. The whole thing is dumb - but, if you have so much law enforcement interaction that you're now on your third time getting popped for the same thing, you probably should reconsider many of your life choices wholistically.

I suspect some enterprising prosecutors might consider charging for each unsecured firearm, thus making three unsecured firearms a misdemeanor offense. In many jurisdictions the rule of law is somewhat meaningless where things like attorney-client privilege and statute of limitations don’t apply.

[chris]

CA politicians don't care about the laws, the Constitution or courts with decisions with which they don't agree.

Exactly they don't care and never will. Neither to the voters. They voted for Prop63. Look what has happened since it passed. We are screwed.

[DisgruntledReaper]

IS this stupid pos ACTUALLY going to take effect!??! All my firearms are PERFECTLY safe and secured where and in what they are contained in,F that crappy *** list of approved safes....besides,ANY safe can be gotten into with enough time and some ingenuity.

[Rickybillegas]

IS this stupid pos ACTUALLY going to take effect!??! All my firearms are PERFECTLY safe and secured where and in what they are contained in,F that crappy *** list of approved safes....besides,ANY safe can be gotten into with enough time and some ingenuity.

I think it's already passed the legislature and is waiting for Newsom's signature. I can't imagine he won't sign it, but you never know. If he signs it, you have until Jan 1 2026 to figure out how you want to comply.
Remember as revised the bill allows you to just add a cheap (roster) cable lock to your gun to comply. So you don't have to buy a new $4,000.00 safe.

[Rickybillegas]

The revised bill says the firearm must be secured with a certified safety (cable lock or trigger lock) device or certified gun safe.

[boltstop]

The revised bill says the firearm must be secured with a certified safety (cable lock or trigger lock) device or certified gun safe.

Not quite.

See 197 above.

[Rickybillegas]

Not quite.

See 197 above.

"this bill would, beginning on July 1, 2025, January 1, 2026, prohibit a person the owner or other lawfully authorized user of a firearm from keeping or storing a firearm in a residence owned or controlled by that person unless the firearm is stored in a locked box or safe that is listed on the Department of Justice’s list of approved firearms firearm safety devices and is properly engaged so as to render it inaccessible that the firearm cannot be accessed by any person other than the owner, as specified"

The test in red is crossed out, the text in blue has been added.

This is what I'm reading from, but these laws are so long and drawn out that maybe there's some other verbiage that overrides that?

[TrappedinCalifornia]

I think this is one of the major concerns, especially given that it's Harris and she's from California... Kamala Harris once said police could pay surprise visits to legal gun owners' homes for safe storage checks

As San Francisco's district attorney, Kamala Harris told legal gun owners in her community that authorities could "walk into" their homes to inspect whether they were storing their firearms properly under a new law she helped draft.

"We're going to require responsible behaviors among everybody in the community, and just because you legally possess a gun in the sanctity of your locked home doesn't mean that we're not going to walk into that home and check to see if you're being responsible and safe in the way you conduct your affairs," Harris told a group of reporters in May 2007.

The remarks came during a press conference introducing legislation that Harris helped draft, which sought to impose penalties for gun owners who fail to store their firearms properly at home...

[LW6PPC]

This is openly totalitarian. If we don’t resist this, we’re done: “Just because you legally possess a gun in the sanctity of your locked home doesn't mean that we're not going to walk into that home and check to see if you're being responsible."

”https://x.com/i/status/1836473613710500042

[chris]

Isn't this nearly identical to what resulted in the Heller decision?

Do you think this state even gives a crap? They don't

[TOMBSTONE]

This one is indeed very scary. Here's why: lots of responsible and upstanding gun owners have perfectly good safes. Those safes are frequently big, heavy, and expensive. They also tend to remain usable for a very long time: 1500 lbs of steel from 30 or 50 years ago is still 1500 lbs of steel todays, and the technology of combination locks hasn't changed.

So if someone has an old but perfectly good safe, and the manufacturer of that safe is out of business, or doesn't make that particular model any more, the safe is guaranteed to not be put on the list. How will old safes be grandfathered in? Does this mean that everyone has to replace their safes?

This state can kiss my *** , ***, ass…

[pacrat]

I'll just drop this storage turd here

https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/us/governor-signs-senator-portantino-s-landmark-gun-storage-bill/ar-AA1rgrgM?ocid=hpmsn&cvid=1bcec37b802141728c4a02ab48d41e9c&ei=102