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  • BobB35
    Senior Member
    • Nov 2008
    • 782

    How does this square with Bruen - Revoked CCW

    Ca homeowner who defends himself has LTC revoked by LA Sherriff.

    Vince Ricci claims his concealed carry permit was revoked because he yelled at police who responded three days after he shot at two men who attacked him in front of his home.


    A wealthy Los Angeles father who pulled a gun on masked intruders as they tried to break into his luxury home while his five-month-old baby was inside has been stripped of his firearm permit.



    Seems like a good lawsuit to me that goes to the heart of may issue policies being abused post Bruen.

    What say you?
    Last edited by BobB35; 11-17-2023, 7:46 AM. Reason: Clarity
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    broadside
    Senior Member
    • Nov 2016
    • 1506

    If true, they are violating his 2nd amendment rights because he used his 1st amendment rights and using his 2nd amendment rights?

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    • #3
      Scratch705
      I need a LIFE!!
      • May 2009
      • 12520

      Lapd is just mad he pretty much called them out on national tv saying how slow their response was (article said 3 days after the shooting?) and how ineffective they were in policing the neighborhood (multiple break-ins and shady characters around neighborhood)

      He hurt their ego and put egg on their face so they are retaliating by yanking his CCW.
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      • #4
        RickD427
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        • Jan 2007
        • 9259

        Originally posted by BobB35
        Ca homeowner who defends himself has LTC revoked by LA Sherriff.

        Vince Ricci claims his concealed carry permit was revoked because he yelled at police who responded three days after he shot at two men who attacked him in front of his home.


        A wealthy Los Angeles father who pulled a gun on masked intruders as they tried to break into his luxury home while his five-month-old baby was inside has been stripped of his firearm permit.



        Seems like a good lawsuit to me that goes to the heart of may issue policies being abused post Bruen.

        What say you?
        There's no issue with Bruen. Bruen addressed discretionary standards for the issue of a permit. This matter here concerns the revocation of a permit.

        The Bruen decision may provide some good argument for use in the new revocation case, but that gonna be a different case.
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        • #5
          Rickybillegas
          Senior Member
          • Nov 2022
          • 1535

          Now add to the list of reasons for revocation of permit: yelling at the cops (sarc).

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          • #6
            Rickybillegas
            Senior Member
            • Nov 2022
            • 1535

            Originally posted by Scratch705
            Lapd is just mad he pretty much called them out on national tv saying how slow their response was (article said 3 days after the shooting?) and how ineffective they were in policing the neighborhood (multiple break-ins and shady characters around neighborhood)

            He hurt their ego and put egg on their face so they are retaliating by yanking his CCW.
            I think you are probably right about this. As far as I know, LAPD and LACS has a bad non 2nd amendment friendly reputation anyway.

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            • #7
              WithinReason
              Senior Member
              • Jan 2013
              • 746

              This is terrible. I hope he files a lawsuit and NRA/CRPA will support him. We are all endangered if the state revokes our permits after lawfully protecting our loved ones. Additionally, I see that the article characterizes him as a "wealthy LA father". This is a values-laden expression which may be designed to cast shade. It does not matter how much money a citizen has, the 2nd Amendment enshrines a God-given right to all.
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              • #8
                eho0925
                Junior Member
                • Mar 2019
                • 52

                Originally posted by Scratch705
                Lapd is just mad he pretty much called them out on national tv saying how slow their response was (article said 3 days after the shooting?) and how ineffective they were in policing the neighborhood (multiple break-ins and shady characters around neighborhood)

                He hurt their ego and put egg on their face so they are retaliating by yanking his CCW.
                Pretty much this. They?re gonna claim his ?behavior? goes against their vague/and capricious definition of ?good moral character?? and in that case, I would suspect his legal council will subpoena the personnel files of both agencies? namely on misconduct of officers and deputies (involved in both on/off duty incidents) and see how many of those officers are still employed and carrying firearms.

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                • #9
                  edgerly779
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                  • Aug 2009
                  • 19871

                  No facts have come out over why he had ccw revoked if that even happened Might be suspended while investigation ensues.

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                  • #10
                    eho0925
                    Junior Member
                    • Mar 2019
                    • 52

                    Originally posted by edgerly779
                    No facts have come out over why he had ccw revoked if that even happened Might be suspended while investigation ensues.
                    Dude? are you serious? The Fox News article quoted Ricci:

                    Ricci told Fox News Digital that the sheriff's office called him Thursday morning to inform him his concealed carry permit was "revoked," and he said it was due to him "yelling" at Los Angeles police officers when they visited his home to investigate the shooting three days after the incident. Ricci previously railed that the LAPD ? the department investigating the case ? carried out "sloppy police" work, including allegedly not picking up the casings scattered near his home as evidence.

                    Umm? pretty cut and dry.

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                    • #11
                      Citadelgrad87
                      I need a LIFE!!
                      • Mar 2007
                      • 16776

                      Originally posted by eho0925
                      Dude? are you serious? The Fox News article quoted Ricci:

                      Ricci told Fox News Digital that the sheriff's office called him Thursday morning to inform him his concealed carry permit was "revoked," and he said it was due to him "yelling" at Los Angeles police officers when they visited his home to investigate the shooting three days after the incident. Ricci previously railed that the LAPD ? the department investigating the case ? carried out "sloppy police" work, including allegedly not picking up the casings scattered near his home as evidence.

                      Umm? pretty cut and dry.
                      His version is cut and dried. That doesn't mean he?s correct. Doesnt mean hes wrong.

                      But this is only one side of the story. Curious that the ?revocation? appears verbal, i would be stunned if there isnt some writing memorializing the action.
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                      • #12
                        AlmostHeaven
                        Veteran Member
                        • Apr 2023
                        • 3808

                        Use the concealed carry permit for its sole intended application of self-defense, and the government revokes the license.

                        Welcome to Democrat America.
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                        The Second Amendment makes us citizens, not subjects. All other enumerated rights are meaningless without gun rights.

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                        • #13
                          edgerly779
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                          CGN Contributor
                          • Aug 2009
                          • 19871

                          Who cares what Ricci said. See what is official hopefully accurate version.is. It will come out he likely stepped on his tongue while interacting with investigators. Even baby D's do not like to be thwarted or disrespected. Do not air your views and issues in public forum like he did. When giving statements if it goes south take benefit of counsel and stfku

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                          • #14
                            Rickybillegas
                            Senior Member
                            • Nov 2022
                            • 1535

                            Here's a good thing. This thing is making statewide news big time.
                            Not just L.A. but all over the state and even local news stations.
                            And the headlines are not favorable to the cops.

                            Reading the comments from ordinary people, about 9:1 people are outraged, and I'm assuming most of these are not permit holders themselves.
                            Just people sick and tired of crime and the increasing inability of people to protect them selves without the state favoring criminals over ordinary people.

                            A few people have pointed out that maybe there were other circumstances not in the defenders favor. Well, true, but I'm giving Ricci the benefit of the doubt until we hear that he was really out of line.
                            We'll hear the cops side of things no doubt because of all the bad publicity.
                            Then, we can make up or minds.

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                            • #15
                              XDJYo
                              Calguns Addict
                              • Apr 2012
                              • 6156

                              Originally posted by AlmostHeaven
                              Use the concealed carry permit for its sole intended application of self-defense, and the government revokes the license.

                              Welcome to Democrat America.
                              Even more ironic is that he doesn't even need a CCW to carry on his property. His driveway is enclosed and not visible from the street. Regardless, anybody has the right to defend themselves against great bodily injury/death.

                              This is on Fox news.

                              FWIW, I think Colion would get a better reception to his message if he didn't get so emotional and raise his voice so much.

                              This was posted 7 years ago and still holds true today.
                              Last edited by XDJYo; 11-20-2023, 1:24 PM.
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