I get LuCC but what about UL but not locked?

[bubbapug1]

I understand the concept of an unloaded pistol in a locked container (LUCC or Locked Unloaded Container Carry) very well. Its a much better alternative to UOC.

What is the penalty for Unloaded but not in a locked container, i.e. an unloaded pistol in a briefcase with a full magazine in your pocket?

How about a unloaded pistol in an ankle holster (upon your person) and a full magazine in your pocket?

Are these misdemeanors or felonies?

[CitaDeL]

I understand the concept of an unloaded pistol in a locked container very well. Its a much better alternative to UOC.

What is the penalty for Unloaded but not in a locked container, i.e. an unloaded pistol in a briefcase with a full magazine in your pocket?

How about a unloaded pistol in an ankle holster (upon your person) and a full magazine in your pocket?

Are these misdemeanors or felonies?

This violates 12025 and depending on geography 626.9. Whether they are misdemeanors or felonies is irrelvant as both are crimes.

[bubbapug1]

This violates 12025 and depending on geography 626.9. Whether they are misdemeanors or felonies is irrelvant as both are crimes.

I don't think its irrelevent...its a legitimate question. If you don't know than just move on to the next thread, but don't get judgemental and blow off the question as irrelevant.

It wouldn't be irrelevant to you if you were facing either a misdemeanor or felony charge would it?

So does anyone else know the answer to the questions?

[Invisible_Dave]

Back in 2003 it looks like more then 50% of the violators of pc12025 were charged as felonies. I recommend you take a look and read pc12025 and 12031 in its entirety. It will give you the sentence and charges in the text.

[Librarian]

Violation of 12025 - carrying a concealable weapon concealed without a CCW - is a 'wobbler' for first offense; that is, the prosecutor may charge either as a felony or a misdemeanor.

So, there is no answer that does not depend on other circumstances.

Search http://www.leginfo.ca.gov/calaw.html for the text of 12025 or read it at http://ag.ca.gov/firearms/dwcl/12020.php

'Full magazine in your pocket' may possibly get you arrested, but that is not illegal if you are not committing any other crimes.

[Glock22Fan]

It will usually be charged as a misdemeanor if the weapon is registered to you, a felony if it is not. This is the same as carrying a firearm loaded. If it is loaded AND concealed, two misdemeanors or two felony charges.

[CitaDeL]

I don't think its irrelevent...its a legitimate question. If you don't know than just move on to the next thread, but don't get judgemental and blow off the question as irrelevant.

It wouldn't be irrelevant to you if you were facing either a misdemeanor or felony charge would it?

So does anyone else know the answer to the questions?

So you would advocate doing something illegal based on whether or not you would be arrested on a misdemeanor or a felony? Does the weight of the crime have any bearing on whether or not anyone should carry like the OP is suggesting?

I'm not blowing off questions as irrelevant- I think that carrying in the manner suggested by the OP, and then asking whether the crime is a felony/misdemeanor implies that commiting 'small' crimes is okay. It's not and people (particularly advocates of the 2A) should act within the law.

As with all questions, Calguns always has the answer.(Librarian rocks.)

[bubbapug1]

So you would advocate doing something illegal based on whether or not you would be arrested on a misdemeanor or a felony?

I'm not blowing off questions as irrelevant- I think that carrying in the manner suggested by the OP, and then asking whether the crime is a felony/misdemeanor implies that commiting 'small' crimes is okay. It's not and people (particularly advocates of the 2A) should act within the law.

To wit - act within the law...As is all protests to the Iranian elections should stop...or we should look upon the whole civil disobedience movement of ghandi and Martin Luther King as wastes of time. As in...blacks to the back of the bus, separate but equal education...congressional health care plan versus public health care...these are not just laws and need or needed to be rectified.

I don't see where I suggested anything...I was just asking a question.

Unjust laws should not be followed, and it is the highest honor and duty of a citizen not to respect or follow those laws which are unjust. However, in carry laws there is in my mind some rationality to not having hot ill tempered men with testosterone poisoning or meth problems walking around the streets armed with hand cannons. I can think of countless situations in my daily life where the presence of handguns would have led to shootouts. I also know I shouldn't carry, not that I am homicidal, but I do have a temper (as do most men I know) that could get me into trouble given the wrong set of circumstances.

I don't plan to break this law, but I have a buddy who carries like this and I was wondering what his fate may be one day.



HDT quote on slavery...

There is a huge difference between a felony and a misdemeanor...my friend thinks in his case its the latter, but if he knew it was the former he might think twice because he would lose his entire collection.

I appreciate your views, but I also think mass civil disobiedience (in tax paying) is going to eventually be required to stop the gutting of the public by incompetant politicians....1.8 trillion in debt in 2009...1 trillion here, 1 trillion there...eventually your talking about serious money!! As everett Dircksen said (but he uses the words billion, not trillion)

[Greg-Dawg]

What the heck is ULLCC?

up-left-left-center-center? New code for Mike Tyson's Punch Out?

[bubbapug1]

What the heck is ULLCC?

up-left-left-center-center? New code for Mike Tyson's Punch Out?

LUCC or Locked Unloaded Container Carry - Sorry, I got it wrong and fixed the title too.

[bodger]

So you would advocate doing something illegal based on whether or not you would be arrested on a misdemeanor or a felony? Does the weight of the crime have any bearing on whether or not anyone should carry like the OP is suggesting?

I'm not blowing off questions as irrelevant- I think that carrying in the manner suggested by the OP, and then asking whether the crime is a felony/misdemeanor implies that commiting 'small' crimes is okay. It's not and people (particularly advocates of the 2A) should act within the law.

As with all questions, Calguns always has the answer.(Librarian rocks.)

I act within the law.
But sometimes I do have thoughts as to which is worse:
Not being able to effectively carry a firearm to defend myself, or getting charged with a crime.

And thoughts do come to mind as to the severity of what I will be charged if I carry loaded and concealed. Will it be misdemeanor or felony.

I understand what the OP is talking about. Unfortunately in this nanny state, those are sometimes the choices we have to consider.