AB-28 Firearms and Ammunition: Excise Tax... Signed 9/26/23

[TrappedinCalifornia]

For full update, see Post #220, page 6.

There was a short thread on this in December 2022... 2023 AB 28 (Gabriel) New Gun Tax

Now, it's back in the news... California Democrats have long failed to tax guns, ammunition. Could this year be different?

California Democrats have long struggled make headway on one gun safety measure: a state excise tax on firearms and ammunition.

Gun control advocates say 2023 could be the year legislators finally make it happen.

Lawmakers have tried at least six times in the last 10 years to tax guns and ammunition in some form. Assemblyman Jesse Gabriel, D-Woodland Hills, picked up the mantle this year by authoring Assembly Bill 28.

It would levy an 11% state excise tax on sales from firearm and ammunition dealers, manufacturers and vendors. The estimated $159 million in revenue for 2024-2025 would fund violence prevention programs...

Like all tax measures, AB 28 will require a two-thirds vote in the Assembly and Senate. Gabriel received 56 votes in the Assembly, two more than he needed. It will need 27 senators for legislative approval...

Just remember, the 24th Amendment specifically talks about poll taxes (or any other taxes) when it comes to voting for President, Vice-President, Senator, or Representative. It doesn't say anything about an 'excise' tax on dealers, manufacturers and vendors rather than 'the public' (and failure to acknowledge that the tax will be passed on to consumers is nit-picking, sheesh), something which Lt. Waters (Tears of the Sun) obliquely referenced as... "for our sins"...



In other words, the State has a budget deficit, the State Democrats don't like guns; thus, it's a two-fer, meaning it's the 'right thing' to do... uh... right?

[TruOil]

So the base sales tax of 7.25% is not levied on guns and ammo? Did I miss the memo?
What about the additional amount included in the transaction fee (DROS) levied by the State for the BGC plus amounts for "gun violence prevention"? did they forget about that? If this excise tax is really for the avowed purpose, is there a separate fund or is it deposited in the general fund from where it can be diverted for other uses?

[TrappedinCalifornia]

So the base sales tax of 7.25% is not levied on guns and ammo? Did I miss the memo?
What about the additional amount included in the transaction fee (DROS) levied by the State for the BGC plus amounts for "gun violence prevention"? did they forget about that? If this excise tax is really for the avowed purpose, is there a separate fund or is it deposited in the general fund from where it can be diverted for other uses?

Now, now.

One simply does not ask questions when Democrats push an agenda item.

Forcing them to answer would be... inconvenient... for them, enlightening for us, and meaningless to California voters.

[boltstop]

Maybe they should try enforcing the laws on the books and locking up gangbangers for a very long time instead of letting them out after a fraction of their already very light sentences.

That would reduce violence for sure.

[Squatch]

I wish a MAGA extremist would've challenged Newsom. Would've been glorious to watch.

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[AlmostHeaven]

I wish a MAGA extremist would've challenged Newsom. Would've been glorious to watch.

In what way would this have been "glorious" whatsoever? I'm no liberal; you can go browse my rich history of blasting Democrats. Running MAGA in California is like running a progressive in Iowa. Democrats win by 29 points instead of only 24. Just look at the 2021 recall.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2021_California_gubernatorial_recall_election

[Scratch705]

So i heard this passed today? Or did I read wrong

[riderr]

Fed already charges 10% excise tax on each firearm. It's included in the price. So, another tax now?

[DolphinFan]

Don?t we have to vote on direct taxes?

[Scratch705]

Don?t we have to vote on direct taxes?

But see it wasn't a direct tax. It is a tax upon seller / manufacturer.

This is how they are circumventing it.

[Big Chudungus]

Newsom to sign 11% tax on guns and ammo.

https://boards.4chan.org/pol/thread/440599582

4chan says same thing was ruled unConstitutional in Illinois recently.

I'm surprised they don't go for Cigs level of tax. Maybe they figure if they start small it could squeak by.

Says will fund Security at schools. I do some Security but no thanks, for a few reasons. Seems like a lot of work and not enough if any down time to work on laptop. Another one of those "Uh, could you, with no real authority to do anything, instantly reverse the effects of several generations and trillions of tax dollars of our Social Engineering mistakes? Thx, that would be great!" jobs.

woops, someone please move to this thread https://www.calguns.net/calgunforum/....php?t=1876620

[abinsinia]

Video on AB-28

https://www.senate.ca.gov/media/senate-floor-session-20230907/video

Starts at minute 48 ..

[middleofnowhere]

AB 28, which will impose an 11% excise tax on the sale of all guns and ammunition in California passed the Senate with the minimum of 27 votes needed for a 2/3rds majority. This afternoon, AB 28 was rushed to the Assembly for concurrence and the bill passed off the Floor with 54 votes. The bill is now on the Governor’s desk.

Thank you to everyone who reached out to your legislators opposing this legislation.

[chris]

It will be passed and signed into law. Then it will languish in court for decades all the while fleecing people of this state and destroying gun ownership via excessive taxation.

This is a win to price the poor out of self defense and 2A rights. Think they care they don't. They don't care if this could be a poll tax on an enumerated right doesn't matter it will have the force of law for years to come.

[Oneaudiopro]

Maybe they should try enforcing the laws on the books and locking up gangbangers for a very long time instead of letting them out after a fraction of their already very light sentences.

That would reduce violence for sure.

^^^^^^^^^^THIS^^^^^^^^