Let's all apply for a CCW Permit at the same time

[jazman]

Continuing to read on a daily basis all of the UOC threads going round and round I had a thought, perhaps because all of the going around is making me dizzy. What if everyone on CalGuns applied for a CCW Permit? All within the same say, week? Maybe that is the way to change things. Thousands and thousands and thousands of applications, pretty well all of which I think would be denied. Would those involved sit up and take notice? Would some of the departments see the volume itself and start to think, whoa, someone is going to notice we are turning down thousands of people who may not have the best reason (in our mind) to have a Permit, but certainly have nothing in their background indicating they shouldn't. Every person turned down could write to their elected officials about the denial and ask them why? Would the politicians take notice? Would this make a difference? I have seen posts stating once one has been turned down it may have a negative effect on the next application, but I can't recall seeing that backed up by facts so I don't know if that is true. Be interesting to see what would happen when they are faced with many thousands of applications, eh? It wouldn't be that hard to organize, just put a blast on every forum on CalGuns, and invite all the other gun boards to do the same. Thoughts?

[Fjold]

I think that people see the question on the application of "have you ever been turned down for a permit " and assume that it is going to be held against you when you apply in another county.

I talked to the retired under-sheriff up here who used to screen applications and he says that they are looking for "bad character" items not for things like being turned down for insufficient "good cause" in LA county.

[GuyW]

Would some of the departments see the volume itself and start to think, whoa, someone is going to notice we are turning down thousands of people who may not have the best reason (in our mind) to have a Permit, but certainly have nothing in their background indicating they shouldn't.

....politcians take notice?

Did you assume that any of the above give a $%^&?

If it doesn't involve a pay increase, more bennies and higher pension for them....they don't care.

Start cutting into those - you might get their attention....

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[bodger]

Continuing to read on a daily basis all of the UOC threads going round and round I had a thought, perhaps because all of the going around is making me dizzy. What if everyone on CalGuns applied for a CCW Permit? All within the same say, week? Maybe that is the way to change things. Thousands and thousands and thousands of applications, pretty well all of which I think would be denied. Would those involved sit up and take notice? Would some of the departments see the volume itself and start to think, whoa, someone is going to notice we are turning down thousands of people who may not have the best reason (in our mind) to have a Permit, but certainly have nothing in their background indicating they shouldn't. Every person turned down could write to their elected officials about the denial and ask them why? Would the politicians take notice? Would this make a difference? I have seen posts stating once one has been turned down it may have a negative effect on the next application, but I can't recall seeing that backed up by facts so I don't know if that is true. Be interesting to see what would happen when they are faced with many thousands of applications, eh? It wouldn't be that hard to organize, just put a blast on every forum on CalGuns, and invite all the other gun boards to do the same. Thoughts?

I'm sure this will open debate about the possible negative impact on applying in the future when it may (or may not) easier to obtain a CCW. Or, if one moves to a free state, how a CA denial might affect obtaining one in the real world.

Having said that, my first thought is what the folks over at CalCCW forum would have to say, as well as Gene and others here that have a better working knowledge than I of what impact this may have.

On the face of it, I think it's a great idea. It might also garner some press, seeing as how the recession has a lot of people worried about crime, and the recent decison on Thune-Nelson Reciprocity Bill.

I'll be subscribing to this thread.

[jazman]

I'm sure this will open debate about the possible negative impact on applying in the future when it may (or may not) easier to obtain a CCW. Or, if one moves to a free state, how a CA denial might affect obtaining one in the real world.

Having said that, my first thought is what the folks over at CalCCW forum would have to say, as well as Gene and others here that have a better working knowledge than I of what impact this may have.

On the face of it, I think it's a great idea. It might also garner some press, seeing as how the recession has a lot of people worried about crime, and the recent decison on Thune-Nelson Reciprocity Bill.

I'll be subscribing to this thread.

My second thought is we would time it, rely on Gene et al to let us know when it would do the most good and do it at that time.

[bwiese]

Folks, Nordkye went en banc so as of now, we don't have incorporation of RKBA anymore.

So such an effort makes no sense now.

[bodger]

Folks, Nordkye went en banc so as of now, we don't have incorporation of RKBA anymore.

So such an effort makes no sense now.

Sounds like timing to me. No sense making such an effort only to have it cost money for no good reason.

What is written above kinda makes me ill.

"We don't have incorporation of Right To Keep and Bear Arms anymore"

That's a sad statement to see in print.

[bsim]

Forget the 'we don't have incorporation...' part and clear it up - in CA we don't have RKBA (period).

[Glock22Fan]

Folks, send a thousand applications into Sheriff Baca, or others of his ilk, and all that will happen (in the fullness of time) is that a thousand reject letters will get sent out and any time and money you invested might as well have been thrown in the gutter.

Does anyone really think they would care? Do you think that anyone outside the sheriff's department would even know?

About the only effect would be the negative one of slowing down the issue of CCW's for those very few applications that do get accepted.

[CAL.BAR]

Great idea - can you say "group fail"

[grammaton76]

Folks, Nordkye went en banc so as of now, we don't have incorporation of RKBA anymore.

So such an effort makes no sense now.

Emphasis added so you folks notice the very relevant bits. Guys, save your application fees for the moment.

Write your 'good cause' letters if it makes you feel any better. I did so a few months back, but I'm not going to use it for some time. It's a useful mental exercise, though.

I am fairly sure there will be a time, post-RKBA, that it makes sense to do this. Bear in mind that even if RKBA doesn't come as a result of Nordyke, we have a national level full court press for incorporation. If it doesn't come via California, it will come from another state.

[bodger]

Great idea - can you say "group fail"

Yes.
Group fail.

Good intentions and creative thinking born of the frustration of living in a communist bankrupt "state" that breaks the law every day they infringe upon my rights. I'm tired of waiting for something to change that never should have been allowed to occur in the first place.

Please excuse the rant.

[nicki]

CCW permits.

We should wait until the dust has settled on the 2nd amendment incorporation issue.

I can't see the SCOTUS not incoporating the 2nd. Wheter or not the 9th incorporates will be a moot issue.

Of course if the 9th does incorporate, it means we can move sooner.

When that happens, we will see action not only in the "Sykes case", but in the San Diego and Orange county sheriff races as well.

Between the "Sykes case" and the political races.

I would love to see mass CCW applications, but at this time, it would be a wasted effort.

Perhaps what we should do though is considering creating our own regional Calguns task forces where a few Key people will want to take the lead on local action regarding CCWs.

The CCW issue is not a big issue to most gun owners, even in states that are shall issue, the numbers of people who get CCW permits represents only about 1 to 2 percent of the population.

On this board we have 10,000 active members, at best, maybe 1000 people would actively do something and that is in the WHOLE state. I hope I am wrong on my numbers.

Perhaps the best thing we could do with CCW is to use it for some form of public outreach.

Nicki

[bodger]

We should wait until the dust has settled on the 2nd amendment incorporation issue.

I can't see the SCOTUS not incoporating the 2nd. Wheter or not the 9th incorporates will be a moot issue.

Of course if the 9th does incorporate, it means we can move sooner.

When that happens, we will see action not only in the "Sykes case", but in the San Diego and Orange county sheriff races as well.

Between the "Sykes case" and the political races.

I would love to see mass CCW applications, but at this time, it would be a wasted effort.

Perhaps what we should do though is considering creating our own regional Calguns task forces where a few Key people will want to take the lead on local action regarding CCWs.

The CCW issue is not a big issue to most gun owners, even in states that are shall issue, the numbers of people who get CCW permits represents only about 1 to 2 percent of the population.

On this board we have 10,000 active members, at best, maybe 1000 people would actively do something and that is in the WHOLE state. I hope I am wrong on my numbers.

Perhaps the best thing we could do with CCW is to use it for some form of public outreach.

Nicki

I'd like to know what the statistics would be on CCW if CA was to become a Shall Issue state. Would it be about the same as the other states you cite, 1 or 2%?
Or would the sudden availability of forbidden fruit jack up the percentage.

[HondaMasterTech]

I can't believe California has no RKBA in its constitution.