2022 SB 1384 Min - Firearms: dealer requirements (Dealer CCTV + Liability Insurance)

[BeAuMaN]

https://leginfo.legislature.ca.gov/faces/billNavClient.xhtml?bill_id=202120220SB1384

Essentially requires dealers to have a 24/7 video surveillance system recording on their premises that runs continuously, all recordings maintained for 3 years, and allow access to said recordings by law enforcement, among other things.

Also requires that a dealer carries general liability insurance covering at least $1,000,000 per incident.

Finally, it would also require that employees undergo training (developed by CA DoJ) related to firearm laws, recognizing fraud and theft, among other things.

[waygeekierthanu]

Wow, that's... A lot of storage...

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[cz74]

Min probably bankrolled by Apple, Amazon and other cloud storage providers

[waygeekierthanu]

320x200!!!

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[Capybara]

320x200!!!

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160 x 200. Give the CADOJ a challenge. Letter of the law. Such an idiotic rule.
We need someone on our side who is handy with coding apps to allow for an even smaller res,
about 10 x 30?

[BeAuMaN]

160 x 200. Give the CADOJ a challenge. Letter of the law. Such an idiotic rule.
We need someone on our side who is handy with coding apps to allow for an even smaller res,
about 10 x 30?

I mean it's a funny thought, but I don't think that would fly. If you read the bill:

26806. (a) Commencing January 1, 2024, a licensee shall ensure that its business premises are monitored by a digital video surveillance system that meets all of the following requirements:
(1) The system shall clearly record images and audio of the area under surveillance.
(2) Each camera shall be permanently mounted in a fixed location. Cameras shall be placed in locations that allow the camera to clearly record activity occurring in all areas described in paragraph (3) and reasonably produce recordings that allow for the clear and identification of any person.

I'm not going to get into specifics since the bill is still under construction, but there are pixel density standards (based off specs + distance) used in the surveillance industry and various agencies have established what is acceptable for different kinds of surveillance.

[Capybara]

I mean it's a funny thought, but I don't think that would fly. If you read the bill:

I'm not going to get into specifics since the bill is still under construction, but there are pixel density standards (based off specs + distance) used in the surveillance industry and various agencies have established what is acceptable for different kinds of surveillance.

Yes, I'm in that industry, I have a production company and a live streaming company. It would not be that difficult to intellectually outmaneuver so as to render the deployment of this part of this bill practically useless.

[BeAuMaN]

Amended 4/8/22

Adds specific requirements for a monitored burglary alarm with motion, contact, shock/breakage sensors as well as backup power, multi-user keypads, and maintenance records of said system.

Adds specific requirements for physical security like commercial grade door locks, keyless entry systems with individually assigned key cards (w/ backup power), as well as CA DOJ generating regulations on the placement of security bollards outside the premises.

[TonyKat]

Game changing bill could close gun stores - CA SB1384

GAME CHANGING BILL COULD CLOSE GUN STORES - CA SB1384

https://leginfo.legislature.ca.gov/faces/billNavClient.xhtml?bill_id=202120220SB1384

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XFWDgMuHNH4

[mshill]

I have some cheap Amcrest cameras that have 128GB uSD cards in them. Recording at 1080p only gets me about 3 days of constant recording. By my calculations a single camera stream recording 3 years would be close to 100TB of storage. That will be expensive on rotating media because you will likely need to be running some form of RAID and it should be backed up off site somewhere.

I have to wonder about why 3 years is so important. If they wanted to make it excessively burdensome, why not 10 years.

[abinsinia]

I have some cheap Amcrest cameras that have 128GB uSD cards in them. Recording at 1080p only gets me about 3 days of constant recording. By my calculations a single camera stream recording 3 years would be close to 100TB of storage. That will be expensive on rotating media because you will likely need to be running some form of RAID and it should be backed up off site somewhere.

I have to wonder about why 3 years is so important. If they wanted to make it excessively burdensome, why not 10 years.

It's not one camera, it's like a pile of camera.

(A) Interior and exterior views of all entries or exits to the premises. The licensee shall make a good faith effort not to capture or record activity occurring beyond the business property.
(B) All areas where firearms are displayed.
(C) All points of sale, sufficient to identify the parties involved in the transaction.

So you need two camera per entrance. One camera per register. One camera for the display cases.

So for a small shop you need 4 camera, as you said that 100TB times 4.

[onelonehorseman]

I have some cheap Amcrest cameras that have 128GB uSD cards in them. Recording at 1080p only gets me about 3 days of constant recording. By my calculations a single camera stream recording 3 years would be close to 100TB of storage. That will be expensive on rotating media because you will likely need to be running some form of RAID and it should be backed up off site somewhere.

I have to wonder about why 3 years is so important. If they wanted to make it excessively burdensome, why not 10 years.

Likely because they want it to BE excessively burdensome without actually APPEARING to be excessively burdensome to avoid future court challenges.

[Hayduke Lives]

I guess this will put a end to the hundreds of home based ffls? I know I wouldn't want the inside of my home recorded and held for 3 years.

[Canadadry]

RIGHT ON!!!!!

Likely because they want it to BE excessively burdensome without actually APPEARING to be excessively burdensome to avoid future court challenges.

[TruOil]

I guess this will put a end to the hundreds of home based ffls? I know I wouldn't want the inside of my home recorded and held for 3 years.

I think you are right. My guy doesn't do that much business, and there is no way that he could possibly pay for all that is required by this bill. Which is pretty sad since he charges me $25 for a transfer for internet purchases, while all the local shops charge $75-100 or won't do them.

And yes, I agree that the purpose of this bill is to put shops, other than the major retailers, out of business, and/or to increase the cost of purchases in order to reduce sales.

Yes Virginia, there is an anti-clause.