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  • Puss
    Member
    • Mar 2013
    • 216

    No magazine in the gun? It must be safe, cannot fire.

    If that subject line made you rage, I suggest you really understand SB 190 https://leginfo.legislature.ca.gov/f...200320040SB190

    "This bill would [...] include within the definition of an unsafe handgun, a center fire semiautomatic pistol that [...] does not have a magazine disconnect mechanism that prevents the pistol from operating to strike the primer of ammunition in the firing chamber when a detachable magazine is not inserted in the pistol."

    I thought it was paramount to teach new shooters that a semi without a magazine inserted would absolutely be able to fire if a round was chambered. I taught my son that recently, racked it, removed the mag, and let him fire it. Lesson learned. Now there will be 3 kinds of guns. Guns that fire with a round chambered but the magazine removed, ones that don't because the disconnector works, and ones that still do because the disconnector is broken or removed by the user. So instead of doctrine we will have confusion.

    It's mentioned here but the full gravity of the condition is not clear: http://wiki.calgunsfoundation.org/in...w_Requirements

    Is there any push back to this? Why are people not alarmed?
    An armed society is a polite society. ~ Robert Heinlein
  • #2
    Librarian
    Admin and Poltergeist
    CGN Contributor - Lifetime
    • Oct 2005
    • 44628

    From 2003?

    A little late...

    Remember, CA gun laws are not about guns, they're virtue signaling to get some politician elected/re-elected.
    ARCHIVED Calguns Foundation Wiki here: http://web.archive.org/web/201908310...itle=Main_Page

    Frozen in 2015, it is falling out of date and I can no longer edit the content. But much of it is still good!

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    • #3
      billped
      Veteran Member
      • Oct 2009
      • 2504

      LOL!
      Bill

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      • #4
        Puss
        Member
        • Mar 2013
        • 216

        Originally posted by Librarian
        From 2003?

        A little late...

        Remember, CA gun laws are not about guns, they're virtue signaling to get some politician elected/re-elected.
        Now I know I'm too late.

        If that is the case, and it is, what is the efficacy of lobbying my local representatives? None, probably, which is why y'all prefer lawyers. SMH.
        An armed society is a polite society. ~ Robert Heinlein

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        • #5
          LongLiveTheRepublic
          Senior Member
          • Aug 2018
          • 625

          California is a lost cause. Voting does noting because for every conservative there are ten leftists. Only wins are in the courts and that takes decades if any get heard fairly.

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          • #6
            OCEquestrian
            Calguns Addict
            • Jun 2017
            • 6797

            Originally posted by Librarian
            Remember, CA gun laws are not about guns, they're virtue signaling to get some politician elected/re-elected.
            ^^^^ Nailed it as usual!
            "Extremism in defense of liberty is no vice. Moderation in pursuit of justice is no virtue." ----Sen. Barry Goldwater

            Those who would give up essential Liberty, to purchase a little temporary Safety, deserve neither Liberty nor Safety." ----Benjamin Franklin

            NRA life member
            SAF life member
            CRPA member

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            • #7
              OlderThanDirt
              FUBAR
              CGN Contributor - Lifetime
              • Jun 2009
              • 5693

              Originally posted by zettix
              Now I know I'm too late.

              If that is the case, and it is, what is the efficacy of lobbying my local representatives? None, probably, which is why y'all prefer lawyers. SMH.
              Magazine disconnects are easily removed returning the firearm to its original design function. Anyone that relies on a loaded chamber indicator or magazine disconnect is a retard. Politicians do what politicians do. Citizens respond accordingly based on what is right, not mandated.
              We know they are lying, they know they are lying, they know we know they are lying, we know they know we know they are lying, but they are still lying. ~ Solzhenitsyn
              Thermidorian Reaction . . Prepare for it.

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              • #8
                Robotron2k84
                Senior Member
                • Sep 2017
                • 2013

                Originally posted by Librarian
                From 2003?

                A little late...

                Remember, CA gun laws are not about guns, they're virtue signaling to get some politician elected/re-elected.

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                • #9
                  MyOdessa
                  CGN/CGSSA Contributor - Lifetime
                  CGN Contributor - Lifetime
                  • Mar 2011
                  • 2256

                  In other news, Earth is no longer flat and does revolve around the Sun.

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                  • #10
                    MyOdessa
                    CGN/CGSSA Contributor - Lifetime
                    CGN Contributor - Lifetime
                    • Mar 2011
                    • 2256

                    So true, and removing it will improve P-35 trigger.

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                    • #11
                      Robotron2k84
                      Senior Member
                      • Sep 2017
                      • 2013

                      And, don’t know haven’t seen one yet, but the P-35 is going to be back in production by EAA / Girsan, called the MC P-35. Will it still have a Mag Disco?

                      Committed to high quality firearms EAA & Girsan are pleased to introduce the second generation of Girsan High-Power MC P35 pistols with modernized features and improved ergonomics based on the classic John Browning design. The all-steel construction, short recoil operated Girsan High-Power MC P35 Match & MC P35 OPS offer a wealth of

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                      • #12
                        71MUSTY
                        Calguns Addict
                        • Mar 2014
                        • 7029

                        Welcome to the jungle OP
                        Only slaves don't need guns

                        Originally posted by epilepticninja
                        Americans vs. Democrats
                        We stand for the Anthem, we kneel for the cross


                        We already have the only reasonable Gun Control we need, It's called the Second Amendment and it's the government it controls.


                        What doesn't kill me, better run

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                        • #13
                          ohsmily
                          Calguns Addict
                          • Apr 2005
                          • 8938

                          Originally posted by zettix
                          If that subject line made you rage, I suggest you really understand SB 190 https://leginfo.legislature.ca.gov/f...200320040SB190

                          "This bill would [...] include within the definition of an unsafe handgun, a center fire semiautomatic pistol that [...] does not have a magazine disconnect mechanism that prevents the pistol from operating to strike the primer of ammunition in the firing chamber when a detachable magazine is not inserted in the pistol."

                          I thought it was paramount to teach new shooters that a semi without a magazine inserted would absolutely be able to fire if a round was chambered. I taught my son that recently, racked it, removed the mag, and let him fire it. Lesson learned. Now there will be 3 kinds of guns. Guns that fire with a round chambered but the magazine removed, ones that don't because the disconnector works, and ones that still do because the disconnector is broken or removed by the user. So instead of doctrine we will have confusion.

                          It's mentioned here but the full gravity of the condition is not clear: http://wiki.calgunsfoundation.org/in...w_Requirements

                          Is there any push back to this? Why are people not alarmed?
                          Originally posted by Librarian
                          From 2003?

                          A little late...

                          Remember, CA gun laws are not about guns, they're virtue signaling to get some politician elected/re-elected.
                          Wow. Fail.
                          Expert firearms attorney: https://www.rwslaw.com/team/adam-j-richards/

                          Check out https://www.firearmsunknown.com/. Support a good calgunner local to San Diego.

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                          • #14
                            kcheung2
                            Veteran Member
                            • Aug 2012
                            • 4387

                            OP needs to get off the computer and get to a range.
                            ---------------------
                            "There is no "best." If there was, everyone here would own that one, and no other." - DSB

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                            • #15
                              Dvrjon
                              CGN/CGSSA Contributor - Lifetime
                              CGN Contributor - Lifetime
                              • Nov 2012
                              • 11271

                              Originally posted by zettix
                              If that subject line made you rage, I suggest you really understand SB 190 https://leginfo.legislature.ca.gov/f...200320040SB190
                              Originally posted by zettix
                              Is there any push back to this? Why are people not alarmed?

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