(RAW) Regarding SB 880 - If you are considering moving out of state?

[Stripeknight]

Regarding SB 880 - If you are considering moving out of California?

What should you do if you are considering moving out of state, are there any additional requirements? Do you need to de-register or can you simply move with no further action? Also once you move out of California can you legally sell your registered firearm or is that not an option?

[DudeFromTheWest]

Regarding SB 880 - If you are considering moving out of California?

What should you do if you are considering moving out of state, are there any additional requirements? Do you need to de-register or can you simply move with no further action? Also once you move out of California can you legally sell your registered firearm or is that not an option?

Nothing, you don't need to do anything if you move out. Just make sure you fall in compliance with whatever your new state is.
**You can technically submit a BOF "No Longer in Possession" form, but this does not "de-register" your guns, just marks in the system you have moved. There is technically no way to deregister your guns in CA unless you sell all of them in-state then rebuy them in your new state.
The only time I'd submit the No Longer in Possession form is if you are moving out of state with either a RAW or BBRAW.

[bronco75a]

Nothing, you don't need to do anything if you move out. Just make sure you fall in compliance with whatever your new state is.
**You can technically submit a BOF "No Longer in Possession" form, but this does not "de-register" your guns, just marks in the system you have moved. There is technically no way to deregister your guns in CA unless you sell all of them in-state then rebuy them in your new state.
The only time I'd submit the No Longer in Possession form is if you are moving out of state with either a RAW or BBRAW.

^this

Except I wouldn't even bother informing them about a RAW or BBRAW - once you've moved out of state with your weapons they no longer have any pull over you.

[Subotai]

Don't tell them. Let them always wonder.

[pythonfan]

Hypothetically, if you move out of the state and don't take any action to deregister a raw or bbraw, would you then be OK to visit california with the bbraw (with bullet button) or raw?

Seems legal.

[bwiese]

Stripeknight...

1. For any type of RAW (from '89 Category 1 to AB880 in 2016) you can just move out of CA with it.

2. There is no duty to unregister or file with CA DOJ. In fact it may be helpful to The Cause just leaving
"dead guns" as still being "on the books".

3. If you do not unregister, you don't lose registration on moving outta CA and changing DL/ID to another
state. Your AW registration is assigned to YOU.

Keep copies of your RAW registration safely stored and you can return to CA with it even after becoming
a non-resident. Even though carrying registration is not legally required, the quality of DOJ firearms records
(and staff) may be wanting and if there were a problem, you want paper support esp if you are an out-of-stater.

[Note that your RAW status/paperwork - regardless of CA residency - does not allow you to reenter CA with
any hicap magazines. If you have legit pre-2000 or FreedomWeek hicap mags and want to use them in a
'featureless' configuration in CA, keep a/some hicap mag(s) in CA. If the mag has not left CA and you had
acquired it legally, it's still OK regardless of your CA residency or lack thereof.]

4. Fly or drive with your RAW to points outside CA. DO NOT SHIP to an FFL or use an ordinary CA FFL to ship:
shipping a RAW requires use of a CA FFL that also holds an AW Permit. [This is expen$ive.]

But since Category 3 (and AB880 variants) RAWs are not AWs when configured as 'featureless' or broken down,
you can ship them this way to your destination (or destination FFL) if you choose to. Guns are AWs by the current
configured features suite, not by mere registration; the latter merely allows continued legal possession of the AW,
but the features (or make/model) determine actual AW status.

[bwiese]

Hypothetically, if you move out of the state and don't take any action to deregister a raw or bbraw, would you then be OK to visit california with the bbraw (with bullet button) or raw?

Seems legal.

YES (...see my post just above).

Just because you lose your CA ID/DL and move out of CA to a free
state does NOT mean your RAW registration is revoked/expires, etc.

HOWEVER, keep the original and copies of your RAW registration in
a safe place and bring copies to CA should you bring your RAW back
into CA. While the lack of CA DL/ID should not trigger record deletion,
the quality of CA DoJ firearms records & their administration are not
great - and even though you don't legally have to carry a copy, in this
situation, esp being now from 'out of state', it's better to have some
backup.

Regardless of registration DO NOT BRING BACK HICAP MAGS even if
they were originally (1) from CA and (2) legally possesed (pre 2000
or 'Freedom Week')

[bwiese]

. There is technically no way to deregister your guns in CA unless you sell all of them in-state then rebuy them in your new state..

WRONG.

It is entirely legit to de-register a Category 3 (or AB880) RAW and
convert it to 'featureless'. This has been done many times.

[bohoki]

its not like you are going to get your money back this way if you ever stop by for a visit maybe

[pythonfan]

YES (...see my post just above).

Just because you lose your CA ID/DL and move out of CA to a free
state does NOT mean your RAW registration is revoked/expires, etc.

HOWEVER, keep the original and copies of your RAW registration in
a safe place and bring copies to CA should you bring your RAW back
into CA. While the lack of CA DL/ID should not trigger record deletion,
the quality of CA DoJ firearms records & their administration are not
great - and even though you don't legally have to carry a copy, in this
situation, esp being now from 'out of state', it's better to have some
backup.

Regardless of registration DO NOT BRING BACK HICAP MAGS even if
they were originally (1) from CA and (2) legally possesed (pre 2000
or 'Freedom Week')

Thank you Bill. Always good to read your thorough posts. And great that it comes from a fellow San josean.

[-hanko]

I never registered a thing in California, so no need to de-register anything in Idaho.

[dfletcher]

Regarding SB 880 - If you are considering moving out of California?

What should you do if you are considering moving out of state, are there any additional requirements? Do you need to de-register or can you simply move with no further action? Also once you move out of California can you legally sell your registered firearm or is that not an option?

Remember those photos on Gunbroker, where the seller catches his feet & toes in the from above camera shot of whatever he's selling - usually wearing flip-flops and no socks? I plan on taking a same perspective photo of my paratrooper FAL, AK folder or AR pistol & "accidentally" capturing a body part - except it won't be my foot. Send it off to CA DOJ with a "does this meet your OAL requirements?" missive.

The concern about what CA may, could, can do to us once outside its clutches, it's something I've never quite understood. I've moved a bunch of stuff out already and will keep at it until I'm gone.

[BAJ475]

... Send it off to CA DOJ with a "does this meet your OAL requirements?" ..

But the HO is gone and is now VP.

[ar15robert]

I moved to az last year I didn’t do anything about my sb23 rifle. I kept it in system since they really have no control of it out of state. Since I go back here and there I left a couple 20 round mags at my moms house in a safe.

I may go to ca for fam camp trips in winter and if I choose to take rifle I can.