California Has The Most Gun-Control Laws In US. Do They Work?

[mshill]

Well... As to the number of laws... Here's what ATF lists as specific to California...

California State Laws: Current through Chapter 4 of the 2019 Regular Session

The list goes on for nearly 13 pages before they begin detailing the laws over a total of 141 pages.

How many laws have been added since 2019?

I don't know but that is 141 .pages of bull****.

[Dvrjon]

Let's see here... universal background checks don't work, neither do magazine restrictions... how about:
Psych evaluation every 3 months for owners of firearms? GPS trackers on every firearm? Murder insurance for firearms owners? Nope, none of those would have worked either. Wave your magic wand and there will be no more guns in the world and no desire to kill anyone... utopia.

[Nvberinger]

Let's see here... universal background checks don't work, neither do magazine restrictions... how about:
Psych evaluation every 3 months for owners of firearms? GPS trackers on every firearm? Murder insurance for firearms owners? Nope, none of those would have worked either. Wave your magic wand and there will be no more guns in the world and no desire to kill anyone... utopia.

Guess the state wants to employ thousands of Psych SJW college grads on our tax dollar.

[champu]

The question posed here is ill-conceived in a way that is a particular pet peeve of mine. “They” and “work” are ambiguous, and the “cost” of the laws is being ignored / rounded down to zero because it isn’t even brought up in the equation.

A more fair question is, “how many of the laws are worth having?”

I don’t think the answer is “none of them” but those are the words being put in our mouths on our side of the debate the way the question is posed.

Since someone will ask, an example of a CA gun law I think is reasonable (because it is not a pre-crime law) is PC 25100(a),(b).

[ja308]

champu, correct

Probably only a few would be needed.
Use a gun in a crime and its worse than no gun.

Sell a gun to a prohibited person and its a criminal offense.

Every driver license could have a label where a person is prohibited from owning a gun based on criminal convictions . This could easily be accomplished by making the 1st letter a P, for prohibited .

This would allow LEOs to have more resources to deal with the criminal class and solve more real crimes.

[Mendo223]

Have seen many articles after the San Jose incident that question the effectiveness of all the laws on the books that are not enforced. Maybe some of the anti people are growing a brain. One can only hope.

well the media is now peppering the VTA articles with "in possession of high capacity magazines" and only a fraction mention they were only 12 rounders, so most liberal leaning news outlets completely omit this and try to paint the picture that the high capacity magazines and the 22k rounds of ammo at his house helped him kill more people smh...

[Mendo223]

What California gun laws did the San Jose VTA murderer violate?

Doesnt sound like he broke any gun laws tbh but the news made sure to show their disdain for having 22k rounds of ammo and how he had 11 magazines on his belt, quick to call them "high capacity" but only a fraction of news outlets say they are 12 rounders which hardly makes them high capacity, coincidently, none of the news outlets have any mention of freedom week they mostly said that they would only have been legal to possess if bought before 2000 which isnt really provable i guess.

[Robotron2k84]

Let's see here... universal background checks don't work, neither do magazine restrictions... how about:
Psych evaluation every 3 months for owners of firearms? GPS trackers on every firearm? Murder insurance for firearms owners? Nope, none of those would have worked either. Wave your magic wand and there will be no more guns in the world and no desire to kill anyone... utopia.

[Librarian]

California gun laws do work, but not to slow, stop or eliminate crimes or criminal behavior.

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To conclude every gun law is designed to stop or to dissuade a law biding person from owning, enjoying, or using firearms for defense or recreation.

One other, very important, purpose - to appear to 'do something' about 'a problem', so a politician may be elected/re-elected.

Those laws are very effective in accomplishing that purpose.

[newbutold]

No laws that address lunatics with guns?

[ja308]

One other, very important, purpose - to appear to 'do something' about 'a problem', so a politician may be elected/re-elected.

Those laws are very effective in accomplishing that purpose.

Sir I am not so sure we have that many people voting on how many restrictions a lawmaker can dream up to keep them "safe".

Do you have some data to prove me wrong?
BTW I could be wrong, as I NEVER watch, listen to or read any source that is antigun.

[Librarian]

Sir I am not so sure we have that many people voting on how many restrictions a lawmaker can dream up to keep them "safe".

Do you have some data to prove me wrong?
BTW I could be wrong, as I NEVER watch, listen to or read any source that is antigun.

Neither the legislators in Sacramento nor their electors are voting for 'content' of the bills/laws.

Apparent activity suffices to meet the 'Look, I am doing something, vote for me' criterion.

[ja308]

Neither the legislators in Sacramento nor their electors are voting for 'content' of the bills/laws.

Apparent activity suffices to meet the 'Look, I am doing something, vote for me' criterion.

That is a good answer ! Thank You !