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  • #16
    7x57
    Calguns Addict
    • Nov 2008
    • 5182

    Originally posted by SgtDinosaur
    The vast majority of people think the Bill Of Rights is the law of the land, and have never heard of this incorporation BS. I would be willing to bet they would be apalled if they found out how the courts have twisted this.
    Hard to blame them, either. I wish someone would exhaustively trace whatever can be known about popular American ideas about the BoR. I'd like to know if, by chance, this is a living cultural memory of what everyone knew the P&I clause really truly did, preserved against all lawyer's protests to the contrary.

    I suppose that's improbable, but it would be a lovely irony and I cherish the very thought.

    7x57
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    What do you need guns for if you are going to send your children, seven hours a day, 180 days a year to government schools? What do you need the guns for at that point?-- R. C. Sproul, Jr. (unconfirmed)

    Originally posted by bulgron
    I know every chance I get I'm going to accuse 7x57 of being a shill for LCAV. Because I can.

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    • #17
      CABilly
      Senior Member
      • Jan 2008
      • 1613

      Originally posted by dfletcher
      "We were disappointed last year when the Supreme Court ruled that the right to keep and bear arms was an individual right, giving short shrift to the first part of the amendment, which refers to "a well-regulated militia." But we also believe the court has been right to use the doctrine of incorporation to bind states to the most important protections of the Bill of Rights. If those vital provisions are to be incorporated in the 14th Amendment, so should the right to keep and bear arms. "

      As I read it, the Times is saying they are anti - gun, but the incorporation principle is more important than any single issue. They are endorsing the 14th directly and (grudgingly) bringing the 2nd along for the ride. Sort of a non-endorsment endorsement of the 2nd.

      I doubt anyone will remember the specifics of the editorial 2 months from now, but on talking points anyone who is progun will be able to cite it as the Times saying states are required to recognize the 2nd Amendment.
      Yep.
      Don't feed the cannibals.

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      • #18
        IGOTDIRT4U
        I need a LIFE!!
        • Oct 2006
        • 10861

        Originally posted by JeffCinSac
        Nordyke was mentioned ("...in order to resolve a conflict between the position taken by the 2nd and 7th circuits and the opposite view adopted by the San Francisco-based U.S. 9th Circuit Court of Appeals."), and the paper even editorialized that, while they were disappointed with Heller, they believe that the 2A should be incorporated in the same way that other rights have been ("But we also believe the court has been right to use the doctrine of incorporation to bind states to the most important protections of the Bill of Rights. If those vital provisions are to be incorporated in the 14th Amendment, so should the right to keep and bear arms.")

        While I hate the LAT with every fiber of my being, you are reading this editorial wrongly. They appear to be, begrudgingly, on our side in this case.
        My sentiments, as well. I despise the La Times, but I think the end result of the article is that like all other Rights in the BoR, it must be incorporated.
        "Over-sentimentality, over-softness, in fact washiness and mushiness are the great dangers of this age and of this people. Unless we keep the barbarian virtue, gaining the civilized ones will be of little avail." - Theodore Roosevelt

        Would you people please stop bashing "Elmer Fudd?" After all, he was an avid sportsman, hunter, and 2a supporter. -Ed in Sac
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