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  • Res
    Senior Member
    • May 2006
    • 1633

    Trench knife legality ?

    Hey guys. I searched here, but could not find an answer. Are these trench knives legal in Ca. ?

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    Sacramento

    Matthew Jackson Miller: 8-6-07 to 10-15-07
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  • #2
    tomjones
    Junior Member
    • Jan 2008
    • 32

    Negative on that, those would be considered metal knuckles, covered under 12020 CA PC.

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    • #3
      pnkssbtz
      Veteran Member
      • Oct 2006
      • 3555

      Originally posted by tomjones
      Negative on that, those would be considered metal knuckles, covered under 12020 CA PC.
      Wouldn't they follow purview of heller, and via nordyke be protected?

      I mean, they were actually used by military troops. (Referring to the comments in miller about the sawed off shotgun never being used by military forces...)

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      • #4
        Res
        Senior Member
        • May 2006
        • 1633

        Yeah. I was hoping maybe it would be okay for a display item, not for carrying around.
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        • #5
          JDay
          I need a LIFE!!
          • Nov 2008
          • 19393

          I wonder if that could be considered a relic?
          Oppressors can tyrannize only when they achieve a standing army, an enslaved press, and a disarmed populace. -- James Madison

          The Constitution shall never be construed to authorize Congress to prevent the people of the United States, who are peaceable citizens, from keeping their own arms. -- Samuel Adams, Debates and Proceedings in the Convention of the Commonwealth of Massachusetts, 86-87 (Pearce and Hale, eds., Boston, 1850)

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          • #6
            MrClamperSir
            CGN/CGSSA Contributor
            • Feb 2009
            • 2570

            That's got to be one of the coolest things I've ever seen.
            Freedom is never more than one generation away from extinction. We didn't pass it to our children in the bloodstream. It must be fought for, protected, and handed on for them to do the same.

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            Its very rare LEO encounter some armed crazy who is going to kill them, but it happens enough to warrant their training....... And its rare to encounter LEO willing to lie, cheat and falsify testimony, but it happens enough to warrant invoking all your rights the second you are stopped.

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            • #7
              Turo
              Calguns Addict
              • May 2009
              • 5066

              12020. (a) Any person in this state who does any of the following
              is punishable by imprisonment in a county jail not exceeding one year
              or in the state prison:
              (1) Manufactures or causes to be manufactured, imports into the
              state, keeps for sale, or offers or exposes for sale, or who gives,
              lends, or possesses any cane gun or wallet gun, any undetectable
              firearm, any firearm which is not immediately recognizable as a
              firearm, any camouflaging firearm container, any ammunition which
              contains or consists of any flechette dart, any bullet containing or
              carrying an explosive agent, any ballistic knife, any multiburst
              trigger activator, any nunchaku, any short-barreled shotgun, any
              short-barreled rifle, any metal knuckles, any belt buckle knife, any
              leaded cane, any zip gun, any shuriken, any unconventional pistol,
              any lipstick case knife, any cane sword, any shobi-zue, any air gauge
              knife, any writing pen knife, any metal military practice
              handgrenade or metal replica handgrenade, or any instrument or weapon
              of the kind commonly known as a blackjack, slungshot, billy,
              sandclub, sap, or sandbag.
              pretty much says no.
              "The tree of liberty must be refreshed from time to time, with the blood of patriots and tyrants. It is its natural manure."
              -Thomas Jefferson

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              • #8
                leelaw
                Junior Member
                CGN Contributor - Lifetime
                • Oct 2005
                • 10445

                Originally posted by JDay
                I wonder if that could be considered a relic?
                There are no relic exemptions for metal knuckles.

                The knife isn't legal in California.

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                • #9
                  CSDGuy
                  Veteran Member
                  • Mar 2007
                  • 3763

                  The knife part of it is fine... it's them metal knuckles that are the problem... and are illegal.

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                  • #10
                    CABilly
                    Senior Member
                    • Jan 2008
                    • 1613

                    There's a surplus store in Campbell that sells those....
                    Don't feed the cannibals.

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                    • #11
                      bigcalidave
                      CGN/CGSSA Contributor - Lifetime
                      CGN Contributor - Lifetime
                      • Jan 2009
                      • 4489

                      People sell brass knuckles all over the state, doesn't make them legal. But you can buy and own the completely plastic ones! polycarbonate FTW!
                      ...

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                      • #12
                        CABilly
                        Senior Member
                        • Jan 2008
                        • 1613

                        Oops, I should have said they sell them to non-exempted (non-privileged class underlings) people.
                        Don't feed the cannibals.

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                        • #13
                          Turo
                          Calguns Addict
                          • May 2009
                          • 5066

                          Originally posted by bigcalidave
                          But you can buy and own the completely plastic ones! polycarbonate FTW!
                          nope. you can't legally sell them.

                          12020.1. Any person in this state who commercially manufactures or
                          causes to be commercially manufactured, or who knowingly imports into
                          the state for commercial sale, keeps for commercial sale, or offers
                          or exposes for commercial sale, any hard plastic knuckles or hard
                          wooden knuckles is guilty of a misdemeanor. As used in this section,
                          "hard plastic knuckles" or "hard wooden knuckles" means any device or
                          instrument made wholly or partially of plastic or of wood,
                          composite, or paper materials that is not a metal knuckle as defined
                          in paragraph (7) of subdivision (c) of Section 12020, that is worn
                          for purposes of offense or defense in or on the hand, and that either
                          protects the wearer's hand while striking a blow or increases the
                          force of impact from the blow or injury to the individual receiving
                          the blow. The plastic, wood, composite or paper products contained in
                          the device may help support the hand or fist, provide a shield to
                          protect it, or consist of projections or studs that would contact the
                          individual receiving a blow.
                          "The tree of liberty must be refreshed from time to time, with the blood of patriots and tyrants. It is its natural manure."
                          -Thomas Jefferson

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                          • #14
                            tgriffin
                            Calguns Addict
                            • Nov 2006
                            • 5175

                            Hard plastic knuckles are a no go. Search here for hard plastic knuckles and you will see they are covered under a different code section.
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                            • #15
                              B Strong
                              CGN/CGSSA Contributor
                              CGN Contributor
                              • Feb 2009
                              • 6367

                              The trench knives that include the knuckle duster design feature are considered to be brass knuckles in California.

                              Depending on the situation that such a weapon is encountered, it could be a simple confiscation without consequence, or a felony, depending on the viewpoint of the LEO involved in the situation at the time.

                              I know of a an individual that had a knuckle knife as part of a display of his father's decorations and awards from WWII, including a pic of his father with the knife on his web gear while in the PTO - An officer was responding to his complaint about a neighboorhood problem and after dealing with the complaint, gave my friend the heads up that the knife was a problem and advised him to remove the knife from the display.

                              The officer took no further action.

                              The other side of that was a guy that I knew who had a knuckle knife in the trunk of his car, was involved in a single vehicle dui accident, and the knife ended up as a felony charge.
                              Last edited by B Strong; 05-30-2009, 8:22 AM.
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