Flowchart with now legal mags(11+)

[ffpmlex]

If you add 20 round mag to your semi-auto AR pistol which has a compliant device to disassemble the action, then remove the mag, you are violating PC 12276.1 per the flow chart. But since 20 round mags are now legal, wouldn't the flow chart have to be redone, just as how the rifle chart limits you to 10 rounds?

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[Cortelli]

I know there are multiple threads blowing up on this, meaning it is hard to find answers with specific references to the code sections, but this has been asked and answered several times elsewhere.

The decision enjoined PC Sec 32310 which deals with a variety of aspects regarding LCMs. The ruling did not address various other laws governing "assault weapons" under state law. Just because 32310 was enjoined does not mean other laws (AW laws) are enjoined.

Does the decision potentially offer up legal strategies to attack the relevant AW laws? Yes. Does the decision invalidate those laws? No.

[Califpatriot]

Do not use a magazine capable of fitting more than 10 rounds as a fixed magazine. You will instantly commit several felonies.

You can use a 30 round mag with featureless and BBRAW, which was always the case.

[ffpmlex]

Not to take anything away from this small victory, but I feel like this issue wasn't addressed in the new ruling because it is important. To me it looks like it absolutely does invalidate that portion of the flow chart, but everything else would stay the same. We shall see.


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[mej16489]

Not to take anything away from this small victory, but I feel like this issue wasn't addressed in the new ruling because it is important. To me it looks like it absolutely does invalidate that portion of the flow chart, but everything else would stay the same. We shall see.


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For starters, you're using a grossly out of date flow chart that has all the old penal codes in it.

...but more importantly, the current ruling doesn't have any effect on the part of the penal code which makes it illegal to insert an LCM into a FIXED MAGAZINE gun.

It is perfectly legal to use an LCM in registered assault weapons and 'featureless' guns. The current decision isn't what made it legal.

[Quiet]

If your semi-auto firearm utilizes a device that makes it have a "fixed magazine", then it is still CA illegal to increase the fixed magazine's capacity to greater than 10 rounds because doing so will make the firearm an illegal assault weapon.

11+ round magazines can legally be used in RAWs, featureless semi-auto centerfire rifles, rimfire rifles, manually operated rifles, shotguns, manually operated pistols, and featureless semi-auto pistols.

[ffpmlex]

I understand your response. My point is this: An 11+ round magazine in a RAW or a featureless AR was already illegal solely based off round capacity. Now, round capacity has been removed. So the criteria used for "assault weapons" based off round capacity should be removed. California can't say you can use the same magazine in a legal featureless AR but not in a legal configuration AR pistol unless they put an injunction on the reversal by Judge Benitez. I can't wait to see the additional legal woes the libtards will face from this ruling!

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[blubullett]

An 11+ round capacity mag was NEVER illegal in RAWs and featureless. It was illegal in FIXED magazine rifles, and still is. The only thing that has changed is possession, manufacturing, and acquiring 11+ round mags.

[ffpmlex]

You're right, I should've taken into account the pre-ban high capacity mags available. I was referring to those of us restricted to 10 rounds in those particular weapons prior to this week. All I'm saying is that if the reversal on the ban sticks, it should open us Californians to more freedoms regarding the other gun laws because they have conflicting ideologies that clearly infringe on the 11+ rounders. Just getting some opinions on here from others...in the end it'll be left up to the lawyers and the courts.

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