Pc 12131.5

[JPN6336]

Am I reading this correctly that the manufacturer has to request similar models to be listed?
Or are we able to buy guns that aren't on the list if they meet these requirements?

12131.5. (a) A firearm shall be deemed to satisfy the requirements
of subdivision (a) of Section 12131 if another firearm made by the
same manufacturer is already listed and the unlisted firearm differs
from the listed firearm only in one or more of the following
features:
(1) Finish, including, but not limited to, bluing, chrome-plating,
oiling, or engraving.
(2) The material from which the grips are made.
(3) The shape or texture of the grips, so long as the difference
in grip shape or texture does not in any way alter the dimensions,
material, linkage, or functioning of the magazine well, the barrel,
the chamber, or any of the components of the firing mechanism of the
firearm.
(4) Any other purely cosmetic feature that does not in any way
alter the dimensions, material, linkage, or functioning of the
magazine well, the barrel, the chamber, or any of the components of
the firing mechanism of the firearm.
(b) Any manufacturer seeking to have a firearm listed under this
section shall provide to the Department of Justice all of the
following:
(1) The model designation of the listed firearm.
(2) The model designation of each firearm that the manufacturer
seeks to have listed under this section.
(3) A statement, under oath, that each unlisted firearm for which
listing is sought differs from the listed firearm only in one or more
of the ways identified in subdivision (a) and is in all other
respects identical to the listed firearm.
(c) The department may, in its discretion and at any time, require
a manufacturer to provide to the department any model for which
listing is sought under this section, to determine whether the model
complies with the requirements of this section.

[jnojr]

Am I reading this correctly that the manufacturer has to request similar models to be listed?
Or are we able to buy guns that aren't on the list if they meet these requirements?

If it isn't on the list, it's too dangerous for us to own.

[halifax]

I talked with the owner of a high-end custom 1911 manufacturer about this very issue. I wanted to know why all the Perma-Kote colors weren't approved for CA if they are the same firearm but just a different color. We disscussed 12131.5. He said the DOJ used the "discretionary" clause to force all firearm models to be submitted. He would have had to submit nine ~$2500 pistols and pay for lab testing on each. The bill would have been nearly $100,000.

BTW, those firearms are not returned to the mfg.

3(c) The department may, in its discretion and at any time, require
a manufacturer to provide to the department any model for which
listing is sought under this section, to determine whether the model
complies with the requirements of this section.

More CS antics from our officials in charge.

[Dump1567]

I talked with the owner of a high-end custom 1911 manufacturer about this very issue. I wanted to know why all the Perma-Kote colors weren't approved for CA if they are the same firearm but just a different color. We disscussed 12131.5. He said the DOJ used the "discretionary" clause to force all firearm models to be submitted. He would have had to submit nine ~$2500 pistols and pay for lab testing on each. The bill would have been nearly $100,000.

BTW, those firearms are not returned to the mfg.

3(c) The department may, in its discretion and at any time, require
a manufacturer to provide to the department any model for which
listing is sought under this section, to determine whether the model
complies with the requirements of this section.

More CS antics from our officials in charge.

That would mean S&W had to submit 248 guns. I have a hard time believing that's the case. But who knows.

[halifax]

That would mean S&W had to submit 248 guns. I have a hard time believing that's the case. But who knows.

Maybe S&W can afford better laywers than a small custom shop

[Dump1567]

Maybe S&W can afford better laywers than a small custom shop

Or maybe they have the CHP contract.