Confused about AR-Pistol from receiver

[xLusi0n]

If I have virgin stripped receiver that I want to make an AR-Pistol (in CA legal configuration - fixed mag), what do I do to register it once it's complete?

It doesn't have to be a pistol marked from the factory right? As long as it was never a rifle?

[domokun]

If I have virgin stripped receiver that I want to make an AR-Pistol (in CA legal configuration - fixed mag), what do I do to register it once it's complete?

It doesn't have to be a pistol marked from the factory right? As long as it was never a rifle?

Incorrect. If you DROS'd the receiver in CA, then it was DROS'd as a long gun. If you build an AR pistol out of that receiver, you're now in possession of an unregistered short-barreled rifle.

There's only 2 legal ways of obtaining a CA legal AR pistol at this time:

1. Transfer + DROS a complete single-shot AR pistol from out of state at a friendly who will do single-shot AR pistols.
2. Purchase an AR pistol lower via PPT from a private party who brought it into the state legally via Intra-familial Transfer or moved to CA with it from out of state.

[xLusi0n]

Ah, got it. Thanks for the heads up

[adamsreeftank]

Incorrect. If you DROS'd the receiver in CA, then it was DROS'd as a long gun. If you build an AR pistol out of that receiver, you're now in possession of an unregistered short-barreled rifle.

There's only 2 legal ways of obtaining a CA legal AR pistol at this time:

1. Transfer + DROS a complete single-shot AR pistol from out of state at a friendly who will do single-shot AR pistols.
2. Purchase an AR pistol lower via PPT from a private party who brought it into the state legally via Intra-familial Transfer or moved to CA with it from out of state.

Good advice, except the third option is to build a single shot AR pistol from an un-finished forging and then possibly convert to semi-status with a fixed 10 round mag when it is complete.

[tiki]

I have a parent out of state that has a stripped AR lower marked as "Pistol".
How can I DROS it via Intra-familial transfer? I thought stripped lowers get dros'd as "Other" on the form.
Can that be Dros'd as a pistol even though it is a stripped receiver?

[Quiet]

I thought stripped lowers get dros'd as "Other" on the form.

You are getting CA DROS confused with ATF 4473.

ATF 4473 has three options: handgun, long gun & other
CA DROS has two options: handgun & long gun

Currently, in CA, a stripped lower will get 4473'd as an "other" but DROS'd as a "long gun".

[hoffmang]

Due to concerns about the definition of "short barreled rifle" in California, the recommendation from the right people is to only build an AR pistol on a pistol marked AR lower receiver that was DROSed as a handgun.

-Gene

[bohoki]

how does a "ca dros" determine what a gun is?

if you "other" longgun dros a essex 1911 frame does that make it a rifle too?

[Seesm]

Gene I have a "home brew" lower I am almost done with can that be made into a pistol easily? if so or if not how do I go about doing it?

If I can or can not do I just stamp my own # into it so in case it is stolen I have record or it? I was thinking someone told me a home brew does NOt need #'s on it...

And I am thinking a home brew can't be a pistol is that true? Bummer if true..

btw I can machine in the word "Pistol" EASY...

[hoffmang]

Gene I have a "home brew" lower I am almost done with can that be made into a pistol easily? if so or if not how do I go about doing it?

If I can or can not do I just stamp my own # into it so in case it is stolen I have record or it? I was thinking someone told me a home brew does NOt need #'s on it...

And I am thinking a home brew can't be a pistol is that true? Bummer if true..

btw I can machine in the word "Pistol" EASY...

Building your own is certainly a legitimate way to acquire an AR pistol in CA. Just do make sure you transition through single shot status initially. You can choose to Voluntary Register your pistol, but you may want to check out Oaklander's thread on that.

-Gene

[sactoshooter]

ok i must say i am still a little confused on this ... So i went to check out Intra-familial Transfer and it states that my grandmother who lives in nevada can give me a rifle (long gun) in legal california condition and

a. it does not have to be dros'd
b. it does not have to be registered.

and likewise I can have my same grandmother who is 72 years old who will gladly do this for me give me a pistol marked lower and

a. I send in a form of a report of operations of law to the doj
b. they do a background check and report the status while i hold on to the lower....or I configure as a single shot pistol and then send in the form ?

If this is the case i have been going about this the wrong way for years

[ke6guj]

ok i must say i am still a little confused on this ... So i went to check out Intra-familial Transfer and it states that my grandmother who lives in nevada can give me a rifle (long gun) in legal california condition and

a. it does not have to be dros'd
b. it does not have to be registered.

incorrect. Since grandma is a NV resident, you must comply with federal law that requires that tranfers between non-licensees of different states must go through an FFL in the recipient's state. There is no intrafamily exemption to federal law. So, it would have to DROSed through your local dealer. As a long gun, it isn't "registered".

and likewise I can have my same grandmother who is 72 years old who will gladly do this for me give me a pistol marked lower and

a. I send in a form of a report of operations of law to the doj
b. they do a background check and report the status while i hold on to the lower.

If this is the case i have been going about this the wrong way for years

As mentioned above, it would be DROSed through your local dealer, and registered as a handgun in AFS. You can't just send in a op-law/intrafamily form. Yes, it covers CA law, but does not comply with federal law.

[oaklander]

Building your own is certainly a legitimate way to acquire an AR pistol in CA. Just do make sure you transition through single shot status initially. You can choose to Voluntary Register your pistol, but you may want to check out Oaklander's thread on that.

-Gene

Here's the thread:

http://www.calguns.net/calgunforum/showthread.php?t=115364

The jury is still out on "volreg'ing" a homebuilt AK/AR pistol. A couple of people (me included) have successfully done it - but be aware that it *appears* that the DOJ is currently just sitting on subsequent AK/AR volreg apps.

[bohoki]

Here's the thread:

http://www.calguns.net/calgunforum/showthread.php?t=115364

The jury is still out on "volreg'ing" a homebuilt AK/AR pistol. A couple of people (me included) have successfully done it - but be aware that it *appears* that the DOJ is currently just sitting on subsequent AK/AR volreg apps.

i guess you could ppt it to a friend then have him ppt it back to you if he changes his mind about keeping it

[Seesm]

Seems like a TOTAL hassle and I suspect they do that on purpose... I woudl like to use my homebrew to build a pistol but we will see...