A question for those who have already registered.

[warbird]

The DOJ will continue to change the requirements and every time you will have to give them money to keep what you originally bought years ago legally or they arrest you. What ever happened to grandfathering in products in their original state like cars where the that cannot order you to buy new parts that did not come on the car? shouldn't it be the same with weapons? Where are you courts if they are not siding with the other side? Your rights are gone and have been for some time. the legislature is just milking you for all the money they can get before the gestapo comes for you in the end. Then you have lost your money, your weapons, and your freedom. Heil Hitler or is that Heil Brown/Newsome?

[BigPun762]

To me, it seems like they're relying on people going featureless and then they'll slam dunk when another shooting occurs. They know bullet button is slower to reload than featureless. They'll use that excuse and the people will believe it.

Featureless will not save you from registration. It's not a question of "IF" they'll ban featureless, it's "WHEN" they'll ban them. The only thing that will save you is moving out of CA.

[Ford8N]

Enforcement by happenstance. Many innocent citizens get caught up in some gun violation for a completely unrelated issue. Domestic disturbance call, traffic stop, etc.


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Hide and fear the police in California. Gun owners are the enemy.

They have something planned. If they did not, they would not have requested so much extraneous information.

Very true. This will be used against gun owners in the future.

I would never ever do this but, get one complete lower build kit, one complete upper and and the same bullet button for each lower. Assemble, take pictures, disassemble. Rinse and repeat


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There is no law against doing this.

Of course, it shows a bit of Irish Democracy and should be done...

[Dump1567]

We've gone over this a few times. But whatever.. Ill bite.

- I didnt spend a bunch of money on stocks, grips, forward grips, etc just to take them off and stuff them in a box.

- It's expensive to convert several rifles.

- If you dont have the tools, it's difficult to remove flash hiders and install brakes.. so that's more money and time.

-Who is to say a grip fin makes a pistol grip not a pistol grip? Sure common sense says it's not, but common sense is irrelevant here.

-Would rather use a tool to drop mags rather than break open some contraption to reload.

-IMO registration gives you a bit better argument in case of weirdness with LEOs. To me, trying to argue why a brake isnt a flash hider or why a fin is not a pistol grip is not an argument you're going to win on the side of the road. If registered, the cop can look it up in his computer and see right there that everything is legit (assuming everything else is legit).

-Featureless ban is most likely coming anyway Considering this happened 4 years ago.. https://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs...=.40ab538ecdbc
I mean look at the pic there.. they got a Mini-14 sitting right next to an AR. Things have gotten MUCH worse here since then. Once Newson is in office, it's a wrap.




I do understand the cons also...
-Just on principle, a person shouldnt register.
-Registering puts you on a list.
-AWs come with several additional restrictions (Travel destinations, minors, locked cases, cant sell, etc, etc)
-dropping mags with a grip fin is arguably more functional that using a tool and standard pistol grip




IMO, everyone has to just look at their own situation and do what they think is best for them. I dont think either option is a slam dunk over the other. Just depends on your situation.

For example, if you travel long distances to go shooting on BLM, the travel destination might be an issue as you legally shouldnt be stopping for coffee, ammo, whatever whilst transporting AWs.

I don't agree with the registration but to add:

The only thing the DOJ says you can't do is remove the BB, so now you can do the following.

https://govt.westlaw.com/calregs/Document/ID2BF1FC19A1D4A2FBF8A0213C8137466?viewType=FullText&originationContext=documenttoc&transitionType=CategoryPageItem&contextData=(sc.Default)

Go under 30 inches (bull-pups without barrel extensions, side folders, under folders).

Use 10+ round mags (if you got them)

Without going into details, the DOJ has legitimized certain features of AW's through approved registration that may have been "gray areas" in the past.

The DOJ has said that separating an AR upper from lower takes it out of AW status. I would assume you might be able to transport in this configuration without AW restrictions.

(3) With regards to an AR-15 style firearm, if a complete upper receiver and a complete lower receiver are completely detached from one another, but still in the possession or under the custody or control of the same person, the firearm is not a semiautomatic firearm.

If you collect or build classic military weapons, they really won't look the same if you go featureless (G3, FAL, AK, M16 Style).

If the BB requirement gets thrown out in court later (after close of registration), now you'll have a regular AW style weapon. If you didn't register, you won't.

And after Newsome wins, you might have to register any semi-auto rifle you own anyway (the current AW registration window will be closed by than).

If down the road for any reason you don't want it to be a register AW, just un-register it as outlined by the DOJ.

https://govt.westlaw.com/calregs/Document/I14F548D817A742129615055C64BFD112?viewType=FullText&originationContext=documenttoc&transitionType=CategoryPageItem&contextData=(sc.Default)

If you think the DOJ doesn't already know you own firearms, you're greatly mistaken.

Other than the complete government over reach and hassle this has been, the Legislators that passed this (IMO) have given us a win. Through a difficult registration process, I can now go under 30 inches and use hi-caps in my BB weapons.

The Legislators in fact created the opposite effect they where hoping for. Instead of the cumbersome reloading requirements of a fixed 10 round BB style gun (now outlawed), gun shop selves are full of regular drop free magazine featureless rifles. That now only require a simple screw driver to remove and fin grip and convert it to an illegal evil AW.

Again, just my opinion.

[mshill]

The DOJ will continue to change the requirements and every time you will have to give them money to keep what you originally bought years ago legally or they arrest you.

This will be their downfall as they have built the entire AW law around the fantasy that evil features are more dangerous than not. They know that they cannot ban an entire class of firearms (semi-auto) so they tried to describe AR-15s and AK-47s but at every turn they have been outwitted, and there are still AR-15s and many other scary "weapons of war" still on the shelves at gun stores and many stripped lowers being sold.

Frankly, their efforts to kill the gun industry has resulted in their worst nightmare... more guns and ammo in the hands of citizens than ever before. Just look at the DROS trends for the last 20 years. Even with the added fees ammo in California will be cheaper in the next couple years than it was between 2012 and 2016.

Gun control is failing in every way possible.

[Sikvenum93]

[rm1911]

[bronco75a]