Hear me out on this - Liberal/Left outreach - I SAID hear me out! :)

[General Kronstadt]

Hello folks,

Now, hear me out on this, but as a person who sits on the center on a lot of issues, the "Left" on a few, Liberal on a few, Conservative on a few, and the "Right" on a few - I find myself often speaking to different types of folks about many issues.

But, since I am a strong gun rights advocate, not the most extreme, but strong,
(I think all laws should be Nevada laws, more or less) I often only speak about gun laws with mostly like minds.

Some liberal types have their finger's in their ears and have no idea about anything related to guns and are frightened of the word. And even though we joke, that isn't all of them, it isn't even most. Most think that CA laws are fine, which is NOT true, especially over the past 10 years, but that also isn't banning all guns.

In speaking to liberal friends about it in a way that is logical, we can turn a few. I know you are all thinking that is neigh impossible - but I've done it with Leftists and Centrists with great luck. It's the folks who are center-left who are most brainwashed on guns. Honestly, I have better gun talks with "Socialists" than with Hillary type voters. One commie even turned me on to a Marx (I KNOW) quote that I have in my signature about ensuring the workers must always be armed. By the end, we agreed on one thing, and that was that CA gun laws are terrible and make no sense and were written by hypocrites.

The super anti-gun liberals are a minority of voters, but politicians think they have to be all anti-gun to get the votes of people who honestly don't care that much about guns. We can move both on guns, I think.

Just a thought. If I am right, not sure what to do beyond conversations. Engage with some centrists?

GK.

[mshill]

Honestly, I have better gun talks with "Socialists" than with Hillary type voters.....

The super anti-gun liberals are a minority of voters....

You forget that two thirds of the voter in this state voted for Hillary, they are not a minority.

[CALI-gula]

Welcome to Calguns.

After only joining in December and 12 posts, I'm not sure you have a good handle yet on the fact that there are a large percentage of individuals here that have been doing what you propose since they joined up on Calguns 17 years ago.

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[curtisfong]

See my sig.

[Milsurp Collector]

The super anti-gun liberals are a minority of voters, but politicians think they have to be all anti-gun to get the votes of people who honestly don't care that much about guns. We can move both on guns, I think.

In a state that already has some of the strictest gun laws in the country, and in the same year that a package of yet more gun laws was passed (Gunmageddon), 63% of California voters said those strict laws weren't strict enough, the wanted more.



You would have to convince 2 million California voters in a large state to flip from pro-more gun control to anti-more gun control to defeat propositions like 63. If you and like-minded people were able to convince 100 pro-gun control voters to switch to anti-gun control every single day, day after day, 365 days a year, no holidays of weekends off, year after year, it would take you 54 years to flip 2 million voters. And that's assuming no more anti-gun voters move to California or reach voting age during those 54 years.

Rather than trying to convince 2 million people to change their positions over the next 54 years, wouldn't it be simpler and easier and faster to move ONE person - you - to a state that already has gun laws that you like, and join like-minded individuals who want to keep things that way?

[theLBC]

there are a few reasons that people vote against gun ownership
emotional reaction to murders
lack of education
victim of propaganda
victim of gun crime
not a victim of gun crime
etc...

but the main reason might be that for most, they aren't personally sacrificing or losing anything, or at least they think they aren't.
they don't care about rights they don't exercise.

like libs in vermont that don't care about illegal immigration.
why should they care? they can pretend to ne kind hearted, charitable heroes, while risking nothing, and paying for nothing.

[abinsinia]

I think educating people is a really useful idea. People in this state are not smart people, and they don't know jack about gun. When Gavin tells them "We need safe street!" the sheep just think "That's a good idea." they aren't thinking "I HATE GUN!" .. Most people are centrist and clueless.

For example, the Steinle case is a direct result of the people of SF not knowing anything about guns. They assumed that the gun can pull it's own trigger. How much more uneducated can it get?

[zhyla]

If we all bought a non-gun-owner a gun instead of stockpiling more for ourselves we would probably make headway. It’s easy to be anti-gun but harder when people are talking about taking your stuff.

Take a non-shooter shooting! Regardless of politics most of them will enjoy it.

[nedro]

That F'n bumpstock the Vegas shooter used F'ed us harder than any other mass shooting ever did.
I can't get the socialists to get past that one.
They are one of the most stupid things the firearm community has ever done to ourselves.
Stupid idea. Stupid product. Stupid people supporting it. And stupid people using it for political gain.

[NorCalFocus]

People overwhelmingly vote on only two issues. The economy and national/personal safety. That means that if someone is a leftist that feels the government is the answer to both of those issues, they will vote Dem. That gives us anti-gun politicans, who pass anti 2A laws.

Its that simple. It doesn't really matter if you can sway their opinion on the 2A. Because they will still vote for Dems. So your real goal should be to make them conservative and vote conservative. The 2A and everything else will fall into place.

[rm1911]

[Jimi Jah]

You can't fix stupid.

[zhyla]

There are two kinds of people politically: those who seek to rule or be ruled; and those who have no desire for either.

This is a straw man and simply not true. People on the left are just like you and me and generally want the same things: a safe, stable society that is economically prosperous. Making them out to be sheep and tyrants is a childish way of resolving the dilemma that intelligent people disagree with you.

You can't fix stupid.

Another unhelpful falsehood. Liberal leaning people are not stupid. If anything studies show liberals on average score better for cognitive ability. Disagreeing with someone does not make them stupid. In fact, calling someone stupid because they have opposing opinions on a controversial subject isn’t very bright at all.

[wannabefree]

Come on guys, forget about changing the State. We have to fight this on a National Level. Federal Law Trumps State Law, at least its supposed too.
The 2nd amendment is a Federal Constitutional right not a State Privileged.
We have to somehow get this out of the States hands and back where it belongs. The California legislature thinks its bigger then the Constitution and needs to be put back it its place.

[abinsinia]

People overwhelmingly vote on only two issues. The economy and national/personal safety. That means that if someone is a leftist that feels the government is the answer to both of those issues, they will vote Dem. That gives us anti-gun politicans, who pass anti 2A laws.

The democratic government of California has failed on both counts.

1) Violent crime has gone up %15 over the last two year due to democratic policies

2) There are 20.4% of California population in poverty, the most of any state.

People don't know these stats. So maybe if we give them some info on this they might start voting differently.