Billy Jack eyes the LAPD

[Glock22Fan]

For those of you interested in CCW's in Los Angeles city, Billy Jack is now reviewing that situation.

http://californiaconcealedcarry.com/blog/index.php

If you are a resident of the City of Los Angeles and have by definition Good Cause and want to apply to LAPD or have applied and been denied within the past two years we would like to speak with you. Their is a Judicial Order in place that mandates 'Shall Issue' for persons in certain categories. LAPD and Chief Bratton ignore the policy of course. They routinely deny all applicants except for prosecutors and persons doing business with the city such as armorers who manufacture SWAT weapons.

It is way past time to make Chief Bratton follow the law. We are seeking qualified applicants to become Plaintiffs against the city. Remember, their is a Judicial Order in place that Chief Bratton is violating. A Motion to Compel and Motion re Contempt will get his attention. In addition he can be held personally liable for willfully disobeying the Order. Can you imagine Chief Bratton being held in Contempt of court? Actually many residents of Los Angeles already hold him in contempt but that is a different matter.

Want to a part of history? The following individuals are defined in the court mandated LAPD Policy.

1) Persons that can establish an immediate or continuing threat to themselves or their family

2) Persons employed in the field of security

3) Persons with Protective Order (Restraining Order)

4) Persons who transport in public, significant amounts of valuable property which is impractical to entrust to the protection of armored car services

5) Persons who can establish they are subject to a particular or unusual danger of physical attack and no reasonable means are available to abate that threat

The LAPD Policy states that: 'Good Cause shall be deemed to exist, and a license will be issue in the absence of strong countervailing factors...'

That's right folks, LAPD has a Shall Issue policy for certain individuals. If you are in one of those categories and comply with all requirements under 12050 PC you will get a CCW. If not from the kind, law abiding Chief, then by a Judge.

If I have your attention, use the e-mail form to contact us or cut to the chase and go to clueseau@dslextreme.com

[hill billy]

Hasn't he been looking qualified candidates in LA for some time now?

[Glock22Fan]

Hasn't he been looking qualified candidates in LA for some time now?

Yes, but the strength, power and knowledge base of Billy Jack and his supporters keeps growing. We are now in a better position than ever before to work on this, just need the right candidate(s).

[eflatminor]

I spoke with BJ about this approximately two years ago. This is nothing new, but I sure hope he's successful in finding the right person. My situation was not the right one to pursue this angle. I also suspect that anyone going down this path should be financially perpared for a very long court battle. Whoever it is, I wish them luck.

[xrMike]

We are now in a better position than ever before to work on this, just need the right candidate(s).

Why should the rest of us, the 99.9% non-felonious, law-abiding, yet-still "wrong candidates", care about this issue?

Anything in it for us?

[Seesm]

I do not know why but I like to say the name Billy Jack with a country boy accent is that weird?

[Glock22Fan]

Why should the rest of us, the 99.9% non-felonious, law-abiding, yet-still "wrong candidates", care about this issue?

Anything in it for us?

Because every chink, even if it isn't big enough for you to squeeze through, is still a chink to be exploited.

All I'm doing is spreading the word. Hard to do that without notifying a few people who couldn't care less.

Sorry to waste your time.

[OCCCWS]

As of August 2008, LAPD had 20 current CCWs issued (keep in mind that LA Sheriff will also issue for LA City).

From the LAPD the CCWs were issued to:

6 Attorneys
2 Property Managers
1 Locksmith
2 'Security' (A rather nebulous occupation listing)
1 Private Investigator
2 Writers
2 Business Owners
2 Surgeons
2 Firearms Manufacturers (The guys who make weapons for Law Enforcement)


From July 2006 to July 2008 the LAPD denied 25 CCW applications, and revoked none.

[sfpcservice]

Sounds like a CCW license issued by LAPD is a clear sign to an LAPD Officer not to mess with the permit holder because he/she is very well connected. Nice system we have here. I think the same can hold true in my city.

[gcrtkd]

5) Persons who can establish they are subject to a particular or unusual danger of physical attack and no reasonable means are available to abate that threat

One would think that some of the good folks at CSUN/NCOD would prove to be very viable candidates (employees and/or students) under #5. How could the LAPD argue that a profoundly deaf person is not in particular or unique danger of physical attack, and that there are reasonable means by which they can un-deaf themselves? (Sure, there are cochlear implants, but aren't appropriate for everyone and it is an extremely invasive surgical procedure, so it is hardly "reasonable".) Now, I don't know whether or not CSUN/NCOD is in LAPD's jurisdiction, but certainly there are many deaf people living within LAPD's AO. Additionally, and on the plus side, deaf folks love to use the internet and e-mail for COMMS, so it would probably be very easy to get the word out. Certainly, there must be one or two deaf firearms enthusiasts in LA.

Think about it...

[7x57]

Because every chink, even if it isn't big enough for you to squeeze through, is still a chink to be exploited.

I imagine that's true, and in any case every dollar and stomach ulcer that CCW costs LAPD and LASD brings a smile to my face if nothing else. The enemy of my enemy is my friend, I guess.

I can't get up much interest beyond that, given that Billy Jack doesn't seem to believe I have any moral right to carry.

7x57

[Glock22Fan]

As of August 2008, LAPD had 20 current CCWs issued (keep in mind that LA Sheriff will also issue for LA City).

From the LAPD the CCWs were issued to:

6 Attorneys
2 Property Managers
1 Locksmith
2 'Security' (A rather nebulous occupation listing)
1 Private Investigator
2 Writers
2 Business Owners
2 Surgeons
2 Firearms Manufacturers (The guys who make weapons for Law Enforcement)


From July 2006 to July 2008 the LAPD denied 25 CCW applications, and revoked none.

For those interested, the majority of these LAPD permits are those that were issued as a result of the lawsuit: Assenza v City of Los Angeles, et al, BC 115813. In that judgement, the judge gave orders to the LAPD that they should issue to anyone in the classes described by Billy Jack in his blog. This is not really anything over which the LAPD have any choice or discretion.

Of the denials, only one fell into the described classes and he was not prepared to challenge the decision.

While Assenza v City of Los Angeles stands, those issued as a result of it effectively have a CCW for life as long as they keep sending in the renewal application.

[7x57]

I can't get up much interest beyond that

I'm going to take that back. My guess is that the cases I'm *really* going to care about will go pretty much as Glock22Fan is describing, and that the cases in DC and Chicago are going: sue over and over because the agency is determined to flat disobey the law and the courts. I believed that before G22F mentioned that this is precisely what is happening with the existing CCW's already, and I am even more sure now.

With that in mind, it might be useful for the larger issue (shall-issue) for TBJ to beat them up over and over until they obey the existing law. If/when we can get that unjust law changed, maybe it will save us a round in court if we only have to get them to obey the new law rather than starting by making them obey any law at all.

7x57

[bohoki]

is it just me or does every time i hear about billy jack i think of this

[bwiese]

I imagine that's true, and in any case every dollar and stomach ulcer that CCW costs LAPD and LASD brings a smile to my face if nothing else. The enemy of my enemy is my friend, I guess.

I can't get up much interest beyond that, given that Billy Jack doesn't seem to believe I have any moral right to carry.

True, but this keeps the enemy busy.

All enhasslement of antigunners should be maximized: never a moment's rest.

If some of TBJ's work involves someone with UOC issues, all the better.

I think fighting CA (and Fed) gunlaws may - aside from trying to avoid bad cases and bad lawyers (Silviera+Gorski) - be a bit like modern particle physics. Take high energy and hurl things together and look for the properties of ther resulting debris: something will be learned, somethign will be gained, opportunities will be multiplied.