Building rifles in 2017

[weaselfire]

Keep pushing on retailers like that and more will just adopt the "no sales to California residents" approach to "avoid any confusion" on their part.

That's a very likely outcome of changes in CA laws, and has been a problem in one way or another for years. My guess it's an intended outcome of the passing of those laws.

Another real possibility is that manufacturers of California-defined assault weapons will simply not bother building California legal firearms if they don't see a viable market. This would cut available options quite a bit, similar to the many handguns no longer being submitted for approval.

But, some enterprising companies will begin building firearms that meet requirements and still tick off the politicians.

Jeff

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[goog]

If I want to buy a completely built lower from Aero for example, they come with furniture as well.. pistol grip and adjustable stock. That will not be legal to purchase in the new year if I understand correctly. If I email them, request that they ship the complete lower sans furniture with a standard mag release is that legal?

[Nodaedul]

The requirement of not turining your pre 2017 lowers into AW's in 2017 is ENTIRELY ON THE HONOR SYSTEM.

[Matteo4art]

The requirement of not turining your pre 2017 lowers into AW's in 2017 is ENTIRELY ON THE HONOR SYSTEM.

Yeah very true. Now to decide whether to register those 80% by 2018 or not. Once that window is closed we're stuck with having to be featureless. Registering them makes their value $0 since you can never sell but 80% have no value once complete anyways. I guess I just don't like the idea of having my hand forced to register as AW. Don't think anyone does.

[xman1]

How can they track whether my lowers were ever assembled with the BB or not? I have about 3 lowers, obviously bought prior to 2017 currently, that have not been assemble yet. I do plan on registering them but they are still virgin lowers bought this year 2016.,

[Sousuke]

In order to comply with CA's "home built (80%)" firearms laws that will go into affect 2018/2019.

Starting 07-01-2018, all "home built (80%)" firearms must have CA DOJ BOF approved markings. The process of obtaining those markings will register the firearm with CA DOJ.
^Exemption to this is, if you properly mark (per BATFE specifications) your "home built (80%)" firearm before 07-01-2018, then you can mark it with your own information and there is no requirement to register it with CA DOJ.

Is there a sticky somewhere for BATFE specs?

[Matteo4art]

How can they track whether my lowers were ever assembled with the BB or not? I have about 3 lowers, obviously bought prior to 2017 currently, that have not been assemble yet. I do plan on registering them but they are still virgin lowers bought this year 2016.,

They can't. The tracking starts day 1 that you register and comply like a law abiding citizen.

[KC_to_CA]

That's a very likely outcome of changes in CA laws, and has been a problem in one way or another for years. My guess it's an intended outcome of the passing of those laws.

Another real possibility is that manufacturers of California-defined assault weapons will simply not bother building California legal firearms if they don't see a viable market. This would cut available options quite a bit, similar to the many handguns no longer being submitted for approval.

But, some enterprising companies will begin building firearms that meet requirements and still tick off the politicians.

Jeff

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This.

Sacramento is not about lawful citizens complying to (assinie) laws they pass. The laws are designed to be restrictive. The bullet button is a compliance device. They called it a loophole. Even if it was called "Compliance Button" from the get go it would still be booted out. Because it shows thinking and innovative people are not shepples.

[KC_to_CA]

Yeah very true. Now to decide whether to register those 80% by 2018 or not. Once that window is closed we're stuck with having to be featureless. Registering them makes their value $0 since you can never sell but 80% have no value once complete anyways. I guess I just don't like the idea of having my hand forced to register as AW. Don't think anyone does.

Registered = can't give to next set of caretakers.

[Quiet]

Is there a sticky somewhere for BATFE specs?

BATFE specs...

Markings must be to a minimum depth of .003 inch and in a print size no smaller than 1/16 inch.
Markings must use Roman letters (A, B, C, etc.) and Arabic numerals (1, 2, 3, etc).

Markings must include:
1) Serial Numbers (can not be just a name, must contain numerals)
2) Model
3) Caliber
4) Manufacturer's name
5) City & State where the Manufacturer is located (where it was made)

Since you made the receiver, you are the manufacturer.
So, your name (first & last) and city/state needs to be engraved on it.

[IVC]

The requirement of not turining your pre 2017 lowers into AW's in 2017 is ENTIRELY ON THE HONOR SYSTEM.

I would also add that "constructive possession" from Nguyen case complicates even further any attempt at prosecuting for the "lack of correct configuration prior to 2017" - if you owned multiple rifles and uppers, any attempt at claiming a lower is not registrable in 2017 due to being a "virgin lower" is likely to fail.

[1911su16b870]

The only thing that the AW BB ban of 2016 did is effectively end the business of the BB manufacturers (Prince, Radlock etc.).

Being business entities -> standing to sue CA in civil court for their losses.

[Sousuke]

BATFE specs...

Markings must be to a minimum depth of .003 inch and in a print size no smaller than 1/16 inch.
Markings must use Roman letters (A, B, C, etc.) and Arabic numerals (1, 2, 3, etc).

Markings must include:
1) Serial Numbers (can not be just a name, must contain numerals)
2) Model
3) Caliber
4) Manufacturer's name
5) City & State where the Manufacturer is located (where it was made)

Since you made the receiver, you are the manufacturer.
So, your name (first & last) and city/state needs to be engraved on it.

Thanks!

[xman1]

Spoke to a buddy today and he said that once we register, we will not be able to shoot the RAW except only on private property. Is this any true? All registered ar cannot be taken to the range or out into the BLM. Any thoughts?

[ifilef]

Spoke to a buddy today and he said that once we register, we will not be able to shoot the RAW except only on private property. Is this any true? All registered ar cannot be taken to the range or out into the BLM. Any thoughts?

He's wrong at least about the range.

Read PC 30945 to him. He needs to be 'educated'.