New regs are out (Large-Capacity Magazine rules)

[SiegeX]

Ok, so it's still just more conjecture. Some posts gave me the impression that the DOJ offered further clarification after the regs came out.

IMHO the regs state pretty clearly that both (a) AND (b) must be followed otherwise they would have used 'either' instead of 'both' and had used 'or' instead of 'and' at the end of (a).

However, its nearly impossible to follow (a) then (b); good luck riveting your magblock once you've already epoxied the floor plate shut. And this is where the confusion lies; the regs' grammar dictate both methods but procedurally they are mutually exclusive. Had they put (b) in front of (a) then it would be much, much less ambiguous; but that would have required logic and forethought.

[sbrady@Michel&Associates]

Update

The comment period for these regs has just opened right in time for Christmas weekend!

Here is the info from CRPA: http://us5.campaign-archive2.com/?u=...3&e=7f0381ea75

[readysetgo]

http://www.oal.ca.gov/regulations/emergency_regulations/Emergency_Regulations_Under_Review/

Got my letters ready! Who's with me?

[JAGGUY]

I've been looking to find who/where to send my comments to.
Guess I'm lame... Any help on this?

[sbrady@Michel&Associates]

I've been looking to find who/where to send my comments to.
Guess I'm lame... Any help on this?

See the link I posted just above. It explains everything. Even gives you a template email you can copy and paste if you don't have anything unique to say (or don't have the time).

I guess I can just paste it here, but it won't have all the links you need.

Five Day Comment Period on Proposed "Emergency" Regulations Regarding Magazines Capable of Holding More than 10 Rounds Opens

As we previously reported , the California Department of Justice provided notice of proposed regulations relating to magazines capable of holding more than 10 rounds-Just days before the holidays when they think no one will be watching.

DOJ submitted the regulations under California's emergency rulemaking process which shortens the timeframes for public view to just 5 days. DOJ announced today that the comment period has been opened, meaning any public comment must be submitted by 5:00pm on December 28, 2016. DOJ stated the regulations will take effect January 2, 2017.

Fortunately, you need not sit idly by while the DOJ attempts to enact ineffective and confusing regulations during the holiday season that will only ensnare otherwise law-abiding gun owners. NRA and CRPA's team of attorneys have reviewed the proposed regulations and crafted a detailed analysis of their effect.

We encourage ALL OF OUR MEMBERS to review the analysis and to participate in the rulemaking process by submitting their own comments during the 5-day public comment period.

Within the analysis, there is a template email that you can copy and send to the DOJ, along with the proper contact information for submitting comments to DOJ officials. Of course you are free to submit your own concerns, but we hope this template will make the process easier during this busy time of year.

We also ask that you copy CRPA when sending any emails at contact@crpa.org so we can monitor the response.

Thank you again for your time in responding to this important matter. We encourage you to subscribe to CRPA email alerts and join us in the fight against harmful regulations like these. NRA and CRPA attorneys are hard at work preparing lawsuits to challenge these new, unjust restrictions on our Second Amendment rights and will file these at the right time in the process.

You can help with these efforts by making a donation to CRPA and NRA efforts.

Become a part of history by standing up to Sacramento politicians!

[BigBamBoo]

Not to sound too jaded....but this is dejuve once again. Hurry and write, fax, phone, etc.

And the end result will be......same as before.

<sigh>

Merry Christmas.

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[inferno999]

Not to sound too jaded....but this is dejuve once again. Hurry and write, fax, phone, etc.

And the end result will be......same as before.

<sigh>

Merry Christmas.

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Maybe. But it's all we can do. For now. If you don't fight now, what's the point later on when it's too late :/


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[BigBamBoo]

That's the point...we are NOT fighting. We are responding. And responding in the (predictable) way that the legislator KNOW we will respond.

So again...nothing new to see here...move along.


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[sbrady@Michel&Associates]

Not to sound too jaded....but this is dejuve once again. Hurry and write, fax, phone, etc.

And the end result will be......same as before.

<sigh>

Merry Christmas.

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Perhaps you missed this?

NRA and CRPA attorneys are hard at work preparing lawsuits to challenge these new, unjust restrictions on our Second Amendment rights and will file these at the right time in the process.

You can help with these efforts by making a donation to CRPA and NRA efforts.

Become a part of history by standing up to Sacramento politicians!

[Blade Gunner]

Looks like they'll be a run on Magpul 10 round mags.

[BigBamBoo]

Perhaps you missed this?

Nope...and am a NRA member and donate,etc.

But look at the track record of lawsuits. No major wins. Heck...can't even get the 10 day waiting period win to stick.

And so the lawsuits get filed. We gun owners write, call, email, moan, groan. And by the time the lawsuit gets to court....there will be another dozen or so laws passed limiting our rights even more.

It was not that long ago that a few of the "in the know" swore up and down that we would be able to remove the BB from our AR's.

So yeah...I am pessimistic. Would love to be proved wrong.

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[sbrady@Michel&Associates]

Nope...and am a NRA member and donate,etc.

But look at the track record of lawsuits. No major wins. Heck...can't even get the 10 day waiting period win to stick.

And so the lawsuits get filed. We gun owners write, call, email, moan, groan. And by the time the lawsuit gets to court....there will be another dozen or so laws passed limiting our rights even more.

It was not that long ago that a few of the "in the know" swore up and down that we would be able to remove the BB from our AR's.

So yeah...I am pessimistic. Would love to be proved wrong.

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I hear you and share your frustration. You never heard anyone from NRA or CRPA swearing things would be fixed. All we can do is fight. That is all that is being asked. I too hope we all get some relief from the courts in the near future. I just pointed that out because it seemed you thought all that was being done was asking people to weigh in.

By the way, not that this is much solace, but it is our position that the law will allow BBs to be removed from firearms registered as "assault weapons" under the new law. That being said, DOJ may have a different opinion. But we will have to wait and see.

[Drew Eckhardt]

So does the Calguns hive mind think it is saying that having disassembled magazines (their wording is large-capacity conversion kits) is now considered 'illegal'?

Owning a large-capacity magazine conversion kit is legal.

Disassembling a large-capacity magazine to make one is not.

32311. (a) Except as provided in Article 2 (commencing with Section 32400) of this chapter and in Chapter 1 (commencing with Section 17700) of Division 2 of Title 2, commencing January 1, 2014, any person in this state who knowingly manufactures or causes to be manufactured, imports into the state, keeps for sale, or offers or exposes for sale, or who gives, lends, buys, or receives any large capacity magazine conversion kit is punishable by a fine of not more than one thousand dollars ($1,000) or imprisonment in a county jail not to exceed six months, or by both that fine and imprisonment. This section does not apply to a fully assembled large-capacity magazine, which is governed by Section 32310.
(b) For purposes of this section, a “large capacity magazine conversion kit” is a device or combination of parts of a fully functioning large-capacity magazine, including, but not limited to, the body, spring, follower, and floor plate or end plate, capable of converting an ammunition feeding device into a large-capacity magazine.

[readysetgo]

ABC 123

At every step you challenge, oppose, fight. That's it. Any which way an anti turns he should be faced with a patriot ready to fight.

Don't be lazy, send in your opposition. The DOJ misuses this procedure all the time. They get away with it, in part, because we let them. Your silence is approval.

Hold your head up and be proud to say "I did my part" and "I warned 'em."

[SiegeX]

Not to sound too jaded....but this is dejuve once again. Hurry and write, fax, phone, etc.

And the end result will be......same as before.

<sigh>

I hear ya and it's hard not to be jaded with all that has happened recently. However, I read this comment on the CRPA site and thought it would be worthy to share.

It is not a waste of time. All comments from the public are reviewed during the discovery process when the issue goes to the court of appeals and to the supreme court. It is all important and the comment you made may be the one which turns the court to your side.