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  • DartFrog
    Member
    • Feb 2009
    • 113

    Police chiefs oppose Proposition 63

    "Laws that forbid the carrying of arms... disarm only those who are neither inclined nor determined to commit crimes. Such laws make things worse for the assaulted and better for the assailants; they serve rather to encourage than prevent homicides, for an unarmed man may be attacked with greater confidence than an armed one." Thomas Jefferson
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    nn3453
    Senior Member
    • Apr 2009
    • 2245

    They will add a LE exemption and then everything will be like always.
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    • #3
      abinsinia
      Veteran Member
      • Feb 2015
      • 4015

      Originally posted by nn3453
      They will add a LE exemption and then everything will be like always.
      They can't add or delete anything.. It's a proposition, it is what it is no changes allowed.

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        njineermike
        Calguns Addict
        • Dec 2010
        • 9784

        Originally posted by nn3453
        They will add a LE exemption and then everything will be like always.
        Unfortunately, I don't think they can. The legislature can add an amendment to bills, but i believe once a prop is written and proposed, it can't be changed.
        Originally posted by Kestryll
        Dude went full CNN...
        Peace, love, and heavy weapons. Sometimes you have to be insistent." - David Lee Roth

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        • #5
          gogohopper
          Veteran Member
          • Mar 2013
          • 4733

          IBLEOBS

          See, this proves that LEO, their reps, and upper management have our backs......................LOL
          Originally posted by Webologist
          I am in a sympathy-free zone as well. A leftist brown shirt reaping what he sowed after profiting from it is sweet justice indeed.

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          • #6
            Jimi Jah
            I need a LIFE!!
            • Jan 2014
            • 17523

            Originally posted by abinsinia
            They can't add or delete anything.. It's a proposition, it is what it is no changes allowed.
            Until the courts get ahold of it? Remember prop 187?

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            • #7
              abinsinia
              Veteran Member
              • Feb 2015
              • 4015

              Originally posted by Jimi Jah
              Until the courts get ahold of it? Remember prop 187?
              What do you think would happen? I don't think court cases would end up adding a LEO exemption, it's kind of a specific addition.

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              • #8
                Zin_dawg
                Member
                • Jan 2006
                • 350

                Originally posted by njineermike
                Unfortunately, I don't think they can. The legislature can add an amendment to bills, but i believe once a prop is written and proposed, it can't be changed.
                Normally, yes, but there is this

                SEC. 13. Amending the Measure.
                This Act shall be broadly construed to accomplish its purposes. The provisions of this measure may be amended by a vote of 55 percent of the members of each house of the Legislature and signed by the Governor so long as such amendments are consistent with and further the intent of this Act.
                Kinda odd, for a proposition, eh?

                So, if the Legislature can amend this turd proposition, then why didn't they try to move it through the legislature, in the first place?

                Hmmmm
                Originally posted by robcoe
                And people wonder why I describe life as front row tickets to the freak show.
                Originally posted by stillwater562
                luckily I live on a cult a sac
                Yep: my place is 3rd compound on the left

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                • #9
                  abinsinia
                  Veteran Member
                  • Feb 2015
                  • 4015

                  Originally posted by Zin_dawg
                  Normally, yes, but there is this



                  Kinda odd, for a proposition, eh?

                  So, if the Legislature can amend this turd proposition, then why didn't they try to move it through the legislature, in the first place?

                  Hmmmm
                  The kind of have. They pass 7 laws recently adding everything in the proposition, and some of those bills they passed also modify this proposition under the terms of the paragraph you quoted , yes that's right, they amended the proposition before the voters even vote on it.

                  So it doesn't matter if this passes or not, we already have laws on the books starting 2017 which implement most of what's in the proposition.

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                  • #10
                    njineermike
                    Calguns Addict
                    • Dec 2010
                    • 9784

                    Originally posted by Zin_dawg
                    Normally, yes, but there is this



                    Kinda odd, for a proposition, eh?

                    So, if the Legislature can amend this turd proposition, then why didn't they try to move it through the legislature, in the first place?

                    Hmmmm
                    This started before the gunmageddon bills, and was initiated by Gavin Newsome as a way to circumvent campaign finance laws and introduce legislation even though he's not a legislator.
                    Originally posted by Kestryll
                    Dude went full CNN...
                    Peace, love, and heavy weapons. Sometimes you have to be insistent." - David Lee Roth

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                    • #11
                      bobbodaggit
                      Member
                      • Dec 2013
                      • 287

                      The proposition was Gavin Newsom's idea and he wants to be the next governor. He has rivals in the Legislature who also want to be governor. They all want to score political points by beating up on us. The Legislative rivals weren't going to help Gavin, and vice versa. It's not about the end result to us and squashing our rights, but the end results to them moving on to their next political job and getting more power.

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                      • #12
                        CMBrowning
                        Senior Member
                        • Mar 2014
                        • 918

                        Gut and Amend. They will get their way
                        Ephesians 6:10

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                        • #13
                          Cheezle56
                          Senior Member
                          • Sep 2012
                          • 938

                          Vote yes, if cops have to do things the peasant way, I'm all for . Maybe then they'll stop supporting anti gun legislation. Just like restricting the Police to on roster handguns and only allowed to use peasant legal arms.
                          If you need help with any stragglers, call a friend, because it's likely that they have a gun. America in particular have done exceptionally well taking care of the problem, as there are 1.12 guns for every 1 American citizen. So throw a rock, you'll probably hit a gun, pick up that gun, then shoot a zombie.

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                          • #14
                            artb
                            CGN/CGSSA Contributor
                            • Feb 2014
                            • 1552

                            All BS aside, I intend to vote NO on Gavin Newsom's Prop 63. ...

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                            • #15
                              The Gleam
                              I need a LIFE!!
                              • Feb 2011
                              • 10982

                              Originally posted by artb
                              All BS aside, I intend to vote NO on Gavin Newsom's Prop 63. ...
                              Ditto.
                              -----------------------------------------------
                              Originally posted by Librarian
                              What compelling interest has any level of government in knowing what guns are owned by civilians? (Those owned by government should be inventoried and tracked, for exactly the same reasons computers and desks and chairs are tracked: responsible care of public property.)

                              If some level of government had that information, what would they do with it? How would having that info benefit public safety? How would it benefit law enforcement?

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