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Ok so now that the legislative session has ended and we will get no new laws, are there any lawyers out there that would mind enlightening us on the new regulations? Everyone on CGN has their own ideas, but some of us I'm sure would love to hear from someone who does these things for a living. Can assault be more assaulty? Can we remove our bullet buttons? If so, can we remove them 1/1/17, or some need to wait for RAW papers?
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The new regulations haven't been written yet, so anybody who does answer your call for free legal advice is probably just making stuff up at this point. I'm sure once the rules are published there will be plenty of unqualified analysis here.sigpicOriginally posted by kcbrown -
Well this is why I was hoping a lawyer could chime in. Regulations are contained within laws, which means a regulation can't provide a rule that isn't explicitly stated by the law. So a regulation can't say "it's illegal to remove a bullet button" when a law makes no mention of not having billet buttons. Regulations by say, the atf, can be changed and rewritten as the agency sees fit, and they generall relate to how laws will be enforced. So a regulation will say something like "registration for RAWs must be submitted to office xyz and department blablabla will be responsible for maintaining the records. They don't actually detail laws to my knowledge.Comment
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If you actually read SB880 the answer is written right the in text. Maybe after you read it you can come back with questions because as the other person posted, they have released little to no information on how registration will work other than cost, registration dates, and compiled by the DOJ.NRA Lifer
Originally posted by Click BoomComment
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Still a little while until the regulation is actually written"A free people ought to be armed" George Washington, 1790
"Don't fire unless fired upon. But if they mean to have war, let it begin here" Capt. John Parker, 19 April 1776, Lexington GreenComment
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Not for nothing, but if you'd like legal advice, I suggest you retain the services of a licensed (and practicing) jurist.
Everything else is the "the opinion of some person on the internet"
You're fishing for answers that no body has yet, however the chaptered language is pretty indicative of what one should expect.
FTR: I also object to your thread title "workarounds." Most of the information on this site is not a "workaround," rather an understanding and practice of how the laws are explicitly written.
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YOU KNOW.....SOME OF YOU STILL NEED TO READ THE NOTICES BEFORE DOING THIS...SUCH AS THE " NO TALKING ABOUT WORK AROUNDS UNTIL THE REGS ARE FORMALIZED!
Our enemies DO MONITOR THE FORUMS AND PROBABLY TAKE NOTES ON " OUR PLANS" and modify their stuff to block us,our ideas.
I swear you characters are yours and ours worst enemies..
Ever hear the old line " loose lips sink ships? ...yea there was a reason for that phrase..
Sheesh.'There is no theory of evolution, just a list of creatures Chuck Norris allows to live.'
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Oh and OP it's not a work around, it's a loop hole, geez
"A free people ought to be armed" George Washington, 1790
"Don't fire unless fired upon. But if they mean to have war, let it begin here" Capt. John Parker, 19 April 1776, Lexington GreenComment
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While I agree with what you're saying, DOJ doesn't seem to think they are bound by law. Case in point is the 1 in 30 law that explicitly exempts holders of an FFL03 and COE. The exemption does not limit that exemption to C&R handguns, but DOJ interprets it that way.
As others have mentioned, wait for the regs to be written/published.sigpic
When Injustice Becomes Law, Resistance is Duty
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You guys are killin me here. There are entire sections on this forum relating to gun laws. "Political and legal discussion" "how ca laws apply to/affect me" this web site promotes itself as a place to come ask legal questions and learn about our 2A rights. People don't run around talking about ATF regulations, they talk about LAWS. I can't have a .50bmg because it violated PC 30600, I can't have a barrel under 16" because it violates penal code 17170. These are laws, not regulations guys. And there used to be layers on here willing to share their knowledge with us, but I guess that's not what goes on here anymore.Comment
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It's called SB880 and AB1135. Go read them for yourselves so you don't have interwebz people telling you the PC. Or maybe go read this to answer all your questions. http://www.calguns.net/calgunforum/s....php?t=1217293NRA Lifer
Originally posted by Click BoomComment
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The session is over. Next year good for you? There will be a whole new session, and a lot of guys with AR15's still won't know how they're affected by the laws being passed. When would you like to discuss this? You act like we are the only gun web site around here.
Six seven tango- I get what you are saying, however, the atf can change their verbiage as they see fit, with no oversight or red tape aside from one of us challenging in court. That being said, we can wait till after the regulation, then they realize we found an unintended loophole, and close it 2 weeks later. It makes no difference.Comment
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You guys telling me to go read the ab's, I did. I read them the day they were passed, the unabridged versions. I'm not a lawyer and I'm don't pretend to know everything. If only there was a place where like minded people could gather to discuss topics of interest, like some kind of gun forum...Comment
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Pre order the 4th edition of California gun laws by michel and associates. Comes with a booklet that addresses all the new legislation.
Here's the link to buy it
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