Gunpocalypse bill authors - sue them under Hobbs Act & potential RICO violations

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https://www.justice.gov/usam/criminal-resource-manual-2403-hobbs-act-extortion-force-violence-or-fear

Could coupling the latest round of infringing laws (coercion/threats of violence from legislators to citizens regarding our personal property which was obtained legally and held legally for many many years) with the misappropriations with DROS funds end up in RICO territory?

If so, a multi plaintiff suit against the legislators including their spouses makes it harder for them to move assets.

After all, we have them on record saying they "don't care much for the Constitution" and refer to their colleagues as "my partner in crime.."

The Constitution is the supreme law of the land. Not caring and disregarding the supreme law of the land makes one a criminal, and they are organized.

[zhyla]

Are you just venting or do you seriously think what you just said makes any sense?

[user120312]

Though I did note one local guy successfully suing HUD, it took him 15 years to get a settlement, generally legal actions against government, whether civil or criminal, as an entity are rarely successful because, one, the main reason, the government has armies of taxpayer-supported lawyers and the laws that are on the books are crafted by taxpayer-supported lawyers and for their class, though of course underlings are sometimes protected as well.

A better course of action is drawing out legislator greed and avarice and attacking them individually through social hacks and small claims suits. Keep them distracted personally. Sure, they'll still get their taxpayer-supported salary but just chew away at them and make their personal lives miserable. Dig up any dirt on them and find where they've got bodies buried and wikileak every last altar boy they diddled.

They might think they're immune but the war can come right to their doorstep and that of their families. Uncivilized? Maybe. Civility went out the door when they started lording over the citizens whose country they were entrusted to govern.

Reading the Hobb's Act, and viewing all the citations within, my mind boggles at how much just writing all that stuff cost we taxpayers. I wonder if the government keeps stats on that stuff. Heh, hope not because that would cost the taxpayers even more and sometimes ignorance is bliss.

[pacrat]

Tough Sell if at all possible.

Would need to prove legislators personally profited from bills they authored.

Example.........."Senator Crook Ch!t", authors legislation against COLT Firearms. Limiting their profits. And diminishing their market share.

While holding a large block of S&W stock. Thereby profitting from the legislation he authored.

I tried to rally support for going after them on grounds of slander. But all I got was negs. They do NOT enjoy legislative immunity outside their official duties.

http://www.calguns.net/calgunforum/showthread.php?t=1213595&highlight=slanderous

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Tough Sell if at all possible.

Would need to prove legislators personally profited from bills they authored.

Example.........."Senator Crook Ch!t", authors legislation against COLT Firearms. Limiting their profits. And diminishing their market share.

While holding a large block of S&W stock. Thereby profitting from the legislation he authored.

I tried to rally support for going after them on grounds of slander. But all I got was negs. They do NOT enjoy legislative immunity outside their official duties.

http://www.calguns.net/calgunforum/s...ght=slanderous

The Hobbs Act states:

"A public official commits extortion under the color of right when he obtains a payment to which he is not entitled knowing that it was made in exchange for official acts."

A lot of the legislators who have authored the recent anti-2a legislation have accepted money from police & LE organizations. LEs are granted exemptions from gun control legislation.

Follow the money. Below is a list of campaign contributions, see how many of the bills authors have accepted money from LE and/or police orgs:

http://maplight.org/california/contributions?sort=asc&order=Amount&s=1&start=01%2F01%2F2009&end=7%2F25%2F2016&office_party=Senate%2CAssembly%2CDemocrat&election=2012&string=Police%20OR%20law%20OR%20deputy%20OR%20sheriff%20OR%20peace%20OR%20patrolmen&business_sector=any&business_industry=any&business_id=L1400&source=All

Couple this with the misappropriation of funds with the DROS system and this could end up in RICO territory.

[CPRAFAN]

Seems to me that Congressional Republican legislators should pass a bill stating that deprivation of 2d amendment rights is grounds for a civil rights lawsuit against legislators and state / local government employees that enforce it with minimum $500 statutory damages per violation plus attorneys fees. Example: you were unable to purchase a pistol due to the roster or were unable to get a CCW - $500 penalty plus attorneys fees. Since this would hit the Democratic legislators and employees, this should be a no-brainer for Trump and the GOP.

[pacrat]

"A public official commits extortion under the color of right when he obtains a payment to which he is not entitled knowing that it was made in exchange for official acts."

I think there's the rub. Political donations given to a campaign are not considered "payments" for quid pro quo. Because candidates can't use them for personal expenses or enrichment.

Ron Calderon got caught with his hand directly in other peoples pocket taking brides, and his brother Tom was his Laundry.

Both got off with a slap on the wrist by pleading out [1] to minor charge of fraud each. Instead of facing all 23 felonies, that would have kept them in jail for more than a century.

See how that works. US Prosecuters, answer to US-AG who is appointed and owned by Emperor O-hole. So a gun grabbing crooked DimCrap brought up on Federal charges gets off easy. If the Brothers had been pro 2A Republicans. They would never again see the light of day.

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zip file available as attached download. There's probably a few names missing but we see the usual partners in crime. In the zip file there's a summary table and you can drill down into each name to see which orgs contributed.

eg:

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Would need to prove legislators personally profited from bills they authored.

While this is true, there is another angle here.

When looking at legislators' campaign donor lists, did any of their donors receive benefits or special treatment from legislation in which they were involved?

Certain groups give legislators money and those groups receive exemptions from legislation.

CA legislators have an established pattern of this, abusing their power under color of official right.

[pacrat]

While this is true, there is another angle here.

[1]...When looking at legislators' campaign donor lists, did any of their donors receive benefits or special treatment from legislation in which they were involved?

[2]...Certain groups give legislators money and those groups receive exemptions from legislation.

[3]...CA legislators have an established pattern of this, abusing their power under color of official right.

In answer to paragraphs 1 through 3.

YES

YES

YES

But according to the laws on the books [legislative immunity] influence selling by elected officials is an accetable practice. As long as the BRIBES are given as 'Campaign Donations".

Whereas they are not protected by the laws they themselves passed. If they "SLANDER or LIBLE" an individual or specific group. When acting "OUTSIDE" their official capacity. Such as when 'Campaigning for Election". Or "Fundraising".

I still see that as a viable grounds to attack their personal wallets.

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Until these f;kers face real consequences for their immoral actions nothing will change.

[pacrat]

Until these f;kers face real consequences for their immoral actions nothing will change.

I agree totally. But Hobbs isn't the avenue. They covered their A**es on that one.

Look at the Messiah from Kenya's actions concerning Solyndra.

He gave them $535 MILLION taxpayers dollars. That didn't cost him one thin dime. But they legally returned the favor, by donating $85k to the DNC. Then promptly filed for bankruptcy and closed shop.

Net profit to the Democratic Party, $85,000.

Net loss to US Taxpayers, $535,000,000.

All perfectly legal. Nothing to see here folks, move along now.

The first thing "ELITES" do when allowed to pass laws governing the little people. Is protect themselves from the laws that govern the little people.