What we need is secession.

[Steinmaster170]

I know i already made a post about my petition for Riverside County to secede from California but that went into 20 direction. I see a lot of a lot people talking about complying or taking a stand against the new gun laws but either way your screwed. I suggest that if you live in a county that is a red county then try to get your county to secede. You don't have to become a criminal or throw away your values and you can change other things like taxes. If you are going to try to make your county its own state then keep is small. Don't take multiple counties and don't take counties that have lot of money like orange county. Good luck for people that are willing to take a chance and if you live in Riverside County here is my petition http://www.ipetitions.com/petition/t...e-of-riverside

[dustoff31]

I know i already made a post about my petition for Riverside County to secede from California but that went into 20 direction. I see a lot of a lot people talking about complying or taking a stand against the new gun laws but either way your screwed. I suggest that if you live in a county that is a red county then try to get your county to secede. You don't have to become a criminal or throw away your values and you can change other things like taxes. If you are going to try to make your county its own state then keep is small. Don't take multiple counties and don't take counties that have lot of money like orange county. Good luck for people that are willing to take a chance and if you live in Riverside County here is my petition http://www.ipetitions.com/petition/t...e-of-riverside

I guess you know that is specifically prohibited by the U.S. Constitution, right?

[CPRAFAN]

Bingo! Secession may work to join NV or AZ though!

Agree that Constitution prohibits creating a new state out of an existing state; however, a county voting to join an existing state such as AZ or NV, with the consent of the state legislature of NV or AZ, may be possible. Several threads on this topic on Calguns . . . do your research if you want AZ or NV gun laws in Riverside . . .

I guess you know that is specifically prohibited by the U.S. Constitution, right?

[dustoff31]

Agree that Constitution prohibits creating a new state out of an existing state; however, a county voting to join an existing state such as AZ or NV, with the consent of the state legislature of NV or AZ, may be possible. Several threads on this topic on Calguns . . . do your research if you want AZ or NV gun laws in Riverside . . .

Riverside County doesn't have a border with NV, so I'm not sure that's doable. It might be, I don't know.

But the larger question is would AZ or NV even want Riverside County? I can see no reason why they would.

[Steinmaster170]

I guess you know that is specifically prohibited by the U.S. Constitution, right?

Where in the constitution does it say that?

[CPRAFAN]

According to the legal article on secession that was posted on the "Volokh Conspiracy", a state does not have to have contiguous boundaries - I believe Maine did not have contiguous boundaries for some years. But you would need the approval of AZ or NV legislature to accept Riverside . . .

[dustoff31]

Where in the constitution does it say that?

Article. IV.
Section. 3.
New States may be admitted by the Congress into this Union; but no new State shall be formed or erected within the Jurisdiction of any other State; nor any State be formed by the Junction of two or more States, or Parts of States, without the Consent of the Legislatures of the States concerned as well as of the Congress.

[Steinmaster170]

Article. IV.
Section. 3.
New States may be admitted by the Congress into this Union; but no new State shall be formed or erected within the Jurisdiction of any other State; nor any State be formed by the Junction of two or more States, or Parts of States, without the Consent of the Legislatures of the States concerned as well as of the Congress.

I knew that and that is what i am proposing is that California gives its blessing for Riverside County to be its own state.

[dustoff31]

I knew that and that is what i am proposing is that California gives its blessing for Riverside County to be its own state.

It doesn't matter whether CA gives it's blessing or not. It is not allowed by the Constitution. Riv Co is completely within the boundries (jurisdiction) of CA.

As CPRAFAN points out, the county could secede and join another state assuming all states involved and the US Congress approve.

[CitaDeL]

A state split is perfectly constitutional. The problem is getting 50% + 1 both in the California legislature and the national congress to agree. Irony is, it would take just 328 people to make that possible.

[Steinmaster170]

It doesn't matter whether CA gives it's blessing or not. It is not allowed by the Constitution. Riv Co is completely within the boundries (jurisdiction) of CA.

As CRPAFAN points out, the county could secede and join another state assuming all states and the US congress approve.

What about Jefferson or the six Californians idea?

[vospertw]

Better option - secede individually. Cut yourself loose from as many government systems as possible. Grow some of your own food, put aside some preps for emergencies, take your kids out of public school, get rid of your debt, save some money, buy some gold/silver, barter with your neighbors. Forget Sacramento and Washington and focus on your HOA, your city council, your local school board, maybe Riverside County. Refuse to comply with onerous laws, if that's your thing. Carve out your own little corner of freedom.

[lapriester]

I know i already made a post about my petition for Riverside County to secede from California but that went into 20 direction. I see a lot of a lot people talking about complying or taking a stand against the new gun laws but either way your screwed. I suggest that if you live in a county that is a red county then try to get your county to secede. You don't have to become a criminal or throw away your values and you can change other things like taxes. If you are going to try to make your county its own state then keep is small. Don't take multiple counties and don't take counties that have lot of money like orange county. Good luck for people that are willing to take a chance and if you live in Riverside County here is my petition http://www.ipetitions.com/petition/t...e-of-riverside

You are living in some sort of Twilight Zone. Just like the folks in N CA and their push for the "State of Jefferson". Counties that once voted to consider it have dropped like flys ever since. After what has happened in the last few weeks you can expect Federal AW action very soon. Perhaps even confiscation.

Are you watching the action in Dallas? 11 police officers down, 4 dead so far, all done with an AR15 in an open carry State. Now what are the chances we'll see pro gun changes in CA or any litigation changing the recently passed laws. Even Republicans in Congress will have to change their stance or commit political suicide and lose both houses to the gun grabbing liberals. Clinton, coupled with a Demo Congress, coupled with a liberal Supreme Court means the destruction of our Second Ammendment rights.

[dustoff31]

What about Jefferson or the six Californians idea?

What about them? Maybe that's the reason none of those things have happened.

Mind you I'm not saying that some of these ideas are not doable, just that they are much easier said than done.

For example, say your petition passes and Riverside County secedes and says we want to join AZ. AZ says, well we don't want Riv Co. NV says we don't want them either. Now what? Or CA says too bad, you're staying here. Or Congress says, no. just no.

I can almost guarantee that one or more of those things would happen.

[vospertw]

Are you watching the action in Dallas? 11 police officers down, 4 dead so far, all done with an AR15 in an open carry State. Now what are the chances we'll see pro gun changes in CA or any litigation changing the recently passed laws. Even Republicans in Congress will have to change their stance or commit political suicide and lose both houses to the gun grabbing liberals. Clinton, coupled with a Demo Congress, coupled with a liberal Supreme Court means the destruction of our Second Ammendment rights.

I didn't see anything about an AR15, but not doubting you. However, it will be interesting to see how the left spins this - Black Lives Matter demonstration and obviously planned - you don't usually tote your AR along just to see what's happening. This was a targeted killing, not a typical mass shooting. Prayers go out to the officers and their families.