should it not be required

[donw]

that LE be stripped of AR's the same as the citizenry will soon be if california state legislature has it's way?

BO and other like him are now calling the AR a "Weapon of war."

LE are NOT supposed to be 'military' are they? if they possess "Weapons of war" then it would seem the state has declared war on the population?

to begin with, a way to fight the likes of this, so-called, legislature, is to force term limits on them. our system, if we are to remain a free society, does NOT need PROFESSIONAL legislators.

i believe six years PER LIFETIME IN ANY ELECTED, OR APPOINTED, OFFICE, IN any LEVEL OF GOV'T, would be more than fair.

another advantage of a term limited legislature is: think of the saving in pensions, health care and wages/salaries...pay them ONLY when actually in service for their limited term. NO pension...NO extended health care plans.

that, is a partial way to begin retention of our freedoms, other wise, those like we now have ruling the state of california, will, most assuredly, legislate away the rest of our freedoms.

[Subotai]

I could go for possibly personal owned weapons, but not duty weapons.

[Lex Talionis]

that LE be stripped of AR's the same as the citizenry will soon be if california state legislature has it's way?

BO and other like him are now calling the AR a "Weapon of war."

LE are NOT supposed to be 'military' are they? if they possess "Weapons of war" then it would seem the state has declared war on the population?

A classic example of divide and conquer. But the way the non thinking liberal logic works is that these "scary things" require some extra level of skill sets which can only be reasonably achieved through "professional training and expertise". The same logic that says only a university trained professional is capable of imparting logic and common sense to children in a educational setting.

When a liberal plays that card on me about how "normal people" cannot responsibly own or use these "military rifles", I remind them of how farmers and hunters during the revolutionary war armed with the famed Kentucky rifle were by General Washington's own assessment among the most effective soldiers on the field of battle.

[osis32]

I could go for possibly personal owned weapons, but not duty weapons.

Why not? What do they need 30 rounds or full auto for? They might be first responders but they are rarely the first to encounter. How often do they lay down suppressive fire? Police shouldn't even use suppressive fire too much collateral damage.

[fuubar67]

I talked to LEs, they feel this mess is a complete BS. Only heir brass is into playing politics.

[mmiller]

Why not? What do they need 30 rounds or full auto for? They might be first responders but they are rarely the first to encounter. How often do they lay down suppressive fire? Police shouldn't even use suppressive fire too much collateral damage.

The encounter with the San Bernardino pair comes to mind, as does Orlando. And, I guess North Hollywood would be a good example.

[Half Cocked]

The libtards have spoken! You only need a 10 round magazine to protect yourself. The police should be restricted to 10 round fixed magazine rifles without the features that make these firearms evil killing machines like folding stocks, pistol grips and flash hiders. We don't need any more of these weapons of mass destruction that are only good for mowing down people out in the streets.

[pacrat]

My thoughts in BOLD

that LE be stripped of AR's the same as the citizenry will soon be if california state legislature has it's way?

Definitely NOT, I want our officers to have anything they need to do the job. Stripping them of a weapon leaves both them and us undefended.
Yes, I see the inequity, and do not agree with them under the 14thA. But that is backward thinking. Fight for our rights. Don't try to take theirs. That is more divisiveness. And plays into the LibTurds game plan by alienating OUR cops further. I underlined our because I want them to be OURS as originally intended not enforcers for the state that "Us v Them" is slowly making them.

Off Duty and Retired personal exemptions, YES, that has got to go, if equity between US and OUR police will ever again reach an equal rights balance.


BO and other like him are now calling the AR a "Weapon of war."

And previously his predecessors called small concealable inexpensive pistols "Saturday Night Specials". Hence the "roster". They lie and the Media swears it is the truth. That is a given. We cannot defend our rights with their LIES.

LE are NOT supposed to be 'military' are they? if they possess "Weapons of war" then it would seem the state has declared war on the population?

It takes more than a "weapon" to make a military. Yes, certain LibTurd facets of the government have declared war on the population. But they did not use an AR or an AK to do it. They used LIES, spoken loudly and often to garner support from the unthinking masses. We cannot be the opposing unthinking mass that responds emotionally and stupidly. Reasoned responses, and picking winnable battles is the way.

to begin with, a way to fight the likes of this, so-called, legislature, is to force term limits on them. our system, if we are to remain a free society, does NOT need PROFESSIONAL legislators.

i believe six years PER LIFETIME IN ANY ELECTED, OR APPOINTED, OFFICE, IN any LEVEL OF GOV'T, would be more than fair.

another advantage of a term limited legislature is: think of the saving in pensions, health care and wages/salaries...pay them ONLY when actually in service for their limited term. NO pension...NO extended health care plans.

I begin to see some reasoned response here. And agree with much of it. Especially the exorbitant pensions etc. We already have "term limits" and many blame them for our predicament. Because elected turds just play musical chairs from position to position.


that, is a partial way to begin retention of our freedoms, other wise, those like we now have ruling the state of california, will, most assuredly, legislate away the rest of our freedoms.

I agree that we must start regaining lost freedoms. But denying others theirs is not the way to begin.

JM2c

[pacrat]

I talked to LEs, they feel this mess is a complete BS. Only heir brass is into playing politics.

Incorrect and not truthfully state.

This last "Gunopalypse" onslaught was FOUGHT by the Ca Sheriff's Assoc and many Chiefs of Police.

But only LE Unions that responded with lobbyist on the house floor, were from the largest depts UNIONS. That represent the line officers. The line officers Unions that hold pro 2A sentiments remained mute.

[osis32]

In theory I agree with you Pac. And I should probably explain my reasoning. I want them to be under the same restrictions not to divide but to give them reason to fight with us. Right now they don't have that so why not give them a little incentive?

[Rockit]

I agree that we must start regaining lost freedoms. But denying others theirs is not the way to begin.

this right here.

[pacrat]

In theory I agree with you Pac. And I should probably explain my reasoning. I want them to be under the same restrictions not to divide but to give them reason to fight with us. Right now they don't have that so why not give them a little incentive?

I want those goals also. But you can't kick an entire contingent of people in the nutz and then expect them to join you in a cause because they are compelled to do so.

Since the right to "SELF" defense is being eroded in this state. You can't disarm the only people who can legally defend citizens. And still expect them to legally defend citizens. Even thought true "SAFETY" is a philosophical concept, not a reality.

When on duty, police are definitely a "Special Class" of citizen. We pay them to be, and grant them arrest rights. Average citizens are not special in that respect.

If we can remove the Off Duty and Retired exemptions. We leverage them back into the role of average citizen, unless on duty. And they and their Unions will lose the incentive to promote Anti 2A legislation and politicians. And would have incentive to fight for the return of previously lost rights that they "had" exemptions from. I still want ALL off duty and retired cops to CCW. The more the merrier. So I would also never request otherwise. But in the quest for equity and rights for everyone. I also want all Non_prohibited citizens to CCW, without undue restrictions.

It is also my opinion that since Moonbeam screwed the pooch back in his first term. That is what opened the door for the "Us v Them" divisiveness. That has slowly grown. Between US and OUR cops. It created a system that slowly evolved into a symbiotic financial relationship between Public Service Unions and the Legislature, and municipal governments in this state.

Since there is a definite conflict of interest, with already known, dire results for the citizenry. NO UNION, should be allowed to lobby, or have any contact with any legislator, or elected public official that has anything to do with negotiating contracts for the Union. Outside the bargaining table.

No, I'm not suggesting that members be denied rights of any kind. They remain citizens just like the rest of us. Make phone calls, write letters, Emails, etc, etc, etc. But they do so as individual citizens just like the rest of us.

This is my view as a previous elected contract negotiations delegate for a large private sector Construction Union.

[osis32]

The thing is unless they do get kicked in the nuts they're not going to do anything. Why would they?

You make excellent points about the corruption between the legislature and the unions. That is very detrimental to everyone.

I'm not out to screw anyone but I'm tired of hanging by myself. If we don't hang together we will most certainly hang separately.